Marriage Rejuvenation?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

TK, I am no expert here. The best way to get to the bottom of this is by giving my opinion and getting others' opinion.

I think you may be confusing this subject with preterism/ futurism.

I am a teacher of futurism for AFF, not this subject, so if you answer my 2 questions I will see if your opinion makes sense.

First, you interject yourself into the topic. Then you claim you don't know enough about the topic to comment. Then you make a smart remark hoping to divert attention away from your inability to respond. What a cop out.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Aquila

While the state has made a way for Quaker couples to "choose" to legally conduct marriage, the Quakers officially reserve the right to conduct marriages "in care of the meeting" that are not in accordance to civil law.

Yes, it's nice that various states have made a way for Quakers to make their marriages legal. But not every Quaker desires to.

So, did you have Quakers officiate your Quaker wedding?

Did you sign a marriage certificate, as is their custom?

[TK Burk]

I'm borrowing this for Aquila:

Quaker Ceremony Wedding Rituals
by Robin Beth Schaer

Quakers, members of the Religious Society of Friends, marry without a lot of fanfare. Often referred to as the silent ceremony, Quaker weddings differ from the traditional Protestant ceremony in four significant ways: there is no officiant; no giving away of the bride; a wedding certificate is signed; and there is a long period of silent, open worship after which those attending may speak on the couple's behalf. Want to know more? Here's your step-by-step guide to the Quaker ceremony.

Clearness Committee
A couple wishing to have a Quaker wedding in a meetinghouse mails a letter of intent to marry to the clerk of their meeting. The clerk reads the letter at the next monthly meeting for business, and those assembled appoint a usually two- or three-member clearness committee to discuss issues involved in marriage with the couple. The process involves thoughtful questions and careful listening, addressing potential difficulties, and discussing the spiritual nature of marriage. If the clearness committee approves of the proposed marriage, they recommend to the meeting that the couple be married.

Oversight Committee
If the meeting finds no objection to the proposed marriage, it will appoint a small oversight committee to oversee the arrangements. The oversight committee is like an official honor attendant/helpful mom/supporting sponsor all rolled into one. Committee members will help with such details as reserving the meetinghouse, signing the marriage license, checking the wording of the wedding certificate, making sure that all legal requirements are met, and dealing with reception logistics.

Officiant Free
The bride and groom marry "under the care of a Quaker meeting" before God and gathered family, friends, and meeting members -- but without an intermediary. Based on the tenet that only God can join a couple in marriage, Quakers believe that no church official is essential for a marriage to take place. However, a license from the local county courthouse is necessary to ensure the legalilty of the wedding. Check with you local meeting -- some branches have pastors who take an active role in the preparation and conducting of weddings.

The Ceremony
The wedding, held during a worship meeting, begins as the couple enters together and sits with their committee facing friends, family and meeting members. Everyone worships silently until the couple feels it's time to say their vows. They rise, hold hands, and each declare: "In the presence of God and before these our families and friends, I take thee (bride's/groom's name) to be my wife/husband, promising with Divine assistance to be unto thee a loving and faithful husband/wife so long as we both shall live." Then they sign a Quaker marriage certificate and sit down, while it is read aloud by a friend or relative. Everyone returns to more silent worship, during which congregants and guests may stand to say a few words or voice support for the couple (think: heartfelt toasts). The meeting usually ends with a nod or a handshake from a committee member. All those present will also sign the certificate as witnesses.

How are the areas marked in BOLD and UNDERLINED not equal to a license?

Is the above what you did for your Quaker wedding?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

First, you interject yourself into the topic. Then you claim you don't know enough about the topic to comment. Then you make a smart remark hoping to divert attention away from your inability to respond. What a cop out.

No, I comment on it because I have the same info as you(Bible).

Does one first need to be an expert to comment on it?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Aquila

What I find most interesting is that conservatives shift rather statist concerning marriage.

Umm, remember my list? How many of those things on that list do you not "shift" toward?

[Sean]

Just a thought here.

Is a man needed to "legally certify" a couples marriage(to avoid it being the unpardonable sin of adultery), ....as important to salvation as a man speaking the name of Jesus over them in baptism to obtain remission of sins?

Will the lack of a 3rd party used in either case cause someone to be lost?

I accept the latter as necessary, howbout the former?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

TK, I am no expert here. The best way to get to the bottom of this is by giving my opinion and getting others' opinion.

Well, it looks like the Bible is non grata to you. Guess that explains the "no expert" statement.

[Sean]

Did my local(unbelieving) county official that signed my wedding document in 1983 keep us out of a adulterous relationship by the stroke of their pen?

Or, did God hear our vows and consider that a legal document?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

Right but was this bureaucracy required before 1776?

Cant you see that these new laws did not exist at the establishment of marriage?

These have no bearing on the argument, TK.

You're really lost in this discussion, aren't you?

Please, go back to your admittance of not being an expert.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Well, it looks like the Bible is non grata to you. Guess that explains the "no expert" statement.

Does one first need to be an expert to comment on it?


You forgot this part.