Islamic Prayers at the Vatican

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Luke

Jesus said HE was THE only way not A way.

The bolded sentence defies logic and is impossible to be true.

Notice that you used an indefinite article "a" and a definite "the" article to describe the same thing "way".

Indefinite articles refer to generic terms, while definite articles refre to specific terms.

You took one specific way and tried to make it generic but if it is generic it is no longer specific.

sounds good

[shazeep]

it is simply the difference in asking a...Christian what they believe v observing what that person believes by their actions.

[Revelationist]

Originally Posted by Luke

If you asked each group (jews and muslim) would they both point to specific passages in their holy book to prove their answer?

That doesn't matter. Facts are facts. They deny Him.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Revelationist

That doesn't matter. Facts are facts. They deny Him.

Yes it does. If I want to know if thier God is the same as mine instead of simply listening to what the people say I should look at what thier God says. Wouldn't you agree?

The question is not weather or not the people deny Him but weather thier god denies Him.

[Luke]

Shazeep and Revelationist I am just curious are your legs tired from all the jumping and dodgeing ya'll are doing of specific questions? lol

[shazeep]

look--you will surely find the answers you look for. BAM, ask Allah what He believes, if that serves you. I merely try to provide an alt reflection of 'seeking truth' here, which will not be found in writing. There are no 'Islamic prayers at the Vatican,' and as proof i offer that this story broke 'mainstream' (state-controlled news outlets) Al Arabiya, Times of Israel, Fox News, etc. This should tell you all you need to know. They are all lying poseurs. But you have no questions anyway--you are determined, wadr, to make the questions fit the answer that you have been indoctrinated with, and would run screaming from any attempt to illuminate the truth.

The truth here might be gotten by sidling up to a Muslim in some neutral setting--Old Town Bazaar in Jerusalem was mine--and spending the next ten minutes or whatever discussing the weather. But BAM (by all means) ask their lawyers, if you wish. After all, it takes one to know one.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Revelationist

That doesn't matter. Facts are facts. They deny Him.

There was a man who owned a vineyard, and had two sons; which did his father's will? Your answer is completely correct in one sense, and irrelevant in the sense that matters.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by shazeep

There was a man who owned a vineyard, and had two sons; which did his father's will? Your answer is completely correct in one sense, and irrelevant in the sense that matters.

You do understand that the two (possibly three) parables you are alluding to here have no bearing upon the topic.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by shazeep

look--you will surely find the answers you look for. BAM, ask Allah what He believes, if that serves you. I merely try to provide an alt reflection of 'seeking truth' here, which will not be found in writing. There are no 'Islamic prayers at the Vatican,' and as proof i offer that this story broke 'mainstream' (state-controlled news outlets) Al Arabiya, Times of Israel, Fox News, etc. This should tell you all you need to know. They are all lying poseurs. But you have no questions anyway--you are determined, wadr, to make the questions fit the answer that you have been indoctrinated with, and would run screaming from any attempt to illuminate the truth.

The truth here might be gotten by sidling up to a Muslim in some neutral setting--Old Town Bazaar in Jerusalem was mine--and spending the next ten minutes or whatever discussing the weather. But BAM (by all means) ask their lawyers, if you wish. After all, it takes one to know one.

We have not been discussing weather or not there were islamic prayers offered in the vatican but weather or not the god of islam is the same as the God of the Bible?
Also if there are more than one way to heaven?

I have sat down in a nuetral location and talked with a an old Egyptian muslim man about islam and Christianity. We discussed the defferences and the core messages for more than two hours in a hostel in London England. I can assure you he was not ashamed to answer the questions that i asked here. He also never claimed that we both servedthe same God. His first question was why do we as christians say Jesus is our God but then fail to obey Him and say how we live does not matter. His second and most asked question was why if Jesus is God as christians claim why would He die for sinners?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Luke

You do understand that the two (possibly three) parables you are alluding to here have no bearing upon the topic.

Well, that, too, is your opinion. Yes, they were told in a different context, but that is irrelevant if the principle holds, wouldn't you say? They are--after all--parables, right?