UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit! - Page 101

StillStanding · #**1001** 07-16-2010, 04:26 PM

So.....the accused was the former pastor's adopted daughter? AND...she didn't want the divorce! The plot thickens!

missourimary · #**1002** 07-16-2010, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII

Yes, I am going on what Kennedy stated in the article you linked.

He said the pastor tried to twist it to some kind of "spiritual" fornication.

Isn't fornication a work of the flesh?
While "spiritual" or figurative fornication - IDOLATRY- according to the Word?

Angela, being the former pastor's daughter adds a whole new dynamic to this, imo.

For the record, I don't believe Lois is lying. She had done an excellent job pointing out the FACTS to this story. Only pointed to it as a variable in the logic proofs I posed.

All things being true this becomes a serious doctrinal issue also.

Did Fogarty call it spiritual fornication when he first discussed it from the pulpit, or only as a last resort in court? Did Fogarty call it that at all, or was that just the only way Kennedy could describe it as it was presented in court?

I know none of us has answers to these, just more questions. I agree that there are several new dynamics coming to light. I'm sure we will never know the entire situation, but it is a serious doctrinal issue... marriage and divorce is an issue that many pastors and members have struggled with, just not to this extent or with this sort of publicity.

Hoovie · #**1003** 07-16-2010, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

How can a court of law prove "spiritual fornication"? Only God could possibly know if someone is spiritually fornicating.

Is "irreconcilable differences" a biblical cause for divorce?

Indeed! OR a pastor OR a district board for that matter. Hmmmm....

Hoovie · #**1004** 07-16-2010, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII

With the record as it is ... granted Lois is not lying ... nor is this Angela's lawyer either ... also not knowing how long the Drivers were members at Rev. Fogarty's church ...

LET'S REVIEW:

- Mr. Driver, by all accounts, files for DIVORCE ON THE GROUNDS OF IRRECONCILABLE DIFFERENCES. His ex-wife does not want the divorce but as no-fault divorce works she must acquiesce.

- Mr. Driver, within a handful of months, falls in love with his pastor's daughter whose father teaches that the only reason for divorce and remarriage is sexual immorality - specifically adultery.

- The future FIL and pastor announces the romance involving his daughter with Mr. Driver by prefacing his announcement at the church by slandering Mrs. Driver for "spiritual fornication" yet not given a specific reason but rather an open-ended menu of types of fornication such as beastiality and child molestation.

- Mrs. Driver sues for slander. The pastor then argues in court that this was spiritual fornication because Mrs. Driver, years ago, according to his SIL, wore a "bikini". It now is being reported that this was a one piece suit in which Mrs. Driver was bathing with a mutual female friend and her husband showed up. Mrs. Driver then left the pool.

If this be true ...

and Pastor Fogarty cannot produce any thread of evidence secularly or spiritually of fornication and Mr. Driver's court documented reason for divorce is IRRECONCILABLE DIFFERENCES ...

keeping to this theological paradigm one must conclude that Rev. Fogarty illegitimately married his daughter, by all intents and purposes, with a "married" man ... or at least according to the apostle Paul

a man who should have "stuck it out" or if separated ... NEVER MARRIED.

QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED, IF WE GO BY THESE PARAMETERS :

Does the Executive Board of the UPCI, the Georgia District and First Pentecostal sanction polygamy and/or sexual immorality?

Will James Driver ever be licensed by the UPCI despite its policies?

Are we dealing with a situation in which a married couple had differences as to what it meant to be "in church" ... only to be cut off by her husband,her church family, pastor, et al.?

Does this now redine the UPCI's definition of fornication and/or reason for divorce to mean the wearing of immodest clothing?

Astounding! Does anyone here KNOW this woman? I think we should invite her to AFF for a few days! I would like HER perspective on this. And for that matter Mr driver if he is willing...

Mrs Driver (if you are reading this and this is still a name you use), Would you be our guest?

Esther · #**1005** 07-16-2010, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

I hope those days are gone.

I also hope all involved find forgiveness in their hearts for each other and are not consumed with bitterness and such. Our eternal destination is far too important to allow stumbling blocks like this to steer us off course.

OilCityCajun · #**1006** 07-16-2010, 05:21 PM

Hmmmm! Apparently Mr. Driver has a thing for pastors' daughters. I wonder what will happen to the second marriage when/if Fogarty moves on and is replaced. Will pastor 3 = marriage 3?

Margies3 · #**1007** 07-16-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OilCityCajun

Hmmmm! Apparently Mr. Driver has a thing for pastors' daughters. I wonder what will happen to the second marriage when/if Fogarty moves on and is replaced. Will pastor 3 = marriage 3?

My point exactly. I predict that it is very likely that Pastor Fogarty is going to find that defending his daughter's indiscretion is going to be one of the costliest mistakes of his life (in more ways than just dollars). That's too sad.

Blubayou · #**1008** 07-16-2010, 06:06 PM

I have read most of this thread and the information on the Spiritual Abuse thread and I find the whole ordeal so sad! It really grieves me to see this kind of thing happening in a church; and I know it happens all too often. I am conflicted in that - if the report we have is correct- what happened was wrong and unjust- but I hate to see dirty laundry aired for all to see. This kind of thing happens when we box ourselves into a corner of "Do right or get out" and leave behind the principles of extending grace and mercy. The disturbing trend I have observed is that we have lost our focus- spreading the gospel to the lost.

Scott Hutchinson · #**1009** 07-16-2010, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Blubayou

I have read most of this thread and the information on the Spiritual Abuse thread and I find the whole ordeal so sad! It really grieves me to see this kind of thing happening in a church; and I know it happens all too often. I am conflicted in that - if the report we have is correct- what happened was wrong and unjust- but I hate to see dirty laundry aired for all to see. This kind of thing happens when we box ourselves into a corner of "Do right or get out" and leave behind the principles of extending grace and mercy. The disturbing trend I have observed is that we have lost our focus- spreading the gospel to the lost.

Well said.

Sweet Pea · #**1010** 07-16-2010, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Blubayou

I have read most of this thread and the information on the Spiritual Abuse thread and I find the whole ordeal so sad! It really grieves me to see this kind of thing happening in a church; and I know it happens all too often. I am conflicted in that - if the report we have is correct- what happened was wrong and unjust- but I hate to see dirty laundry aired for all to see. This kind of thing happens when we box ourselves into a corner of "Do right or get out" and leave behind the principles of extending grace and mercy. The disturbing trend I have observed is that we have lost our focus- spreading the gospel to the lost.

Thank you for this post. I wrote out something very similar earlier today, but didn't feel that it would be accepted if I posted it - since I had contributed to the thread.