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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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Well from reading 16 pages (or 32 if you have the site set differently), I think nearly ALL the discussion has been on the stupid bikini of which we know almost NO context. While we DO know most of the context for the words the pastor said. So I think much MORE should have been said about him.
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I think much more should have been said about all of them. Everything we have ALL posted is simply speculation and our own opinion.
All we know is that we have two people who could not support their vows of marriage. We have no idea what was involved in that mess.
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07-13-2010, 11:07 PM
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
And the pastor may have been misled by the ex-husband.
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07-13-2010, 11:08 PM
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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Yeah, if you know you are being recorded. Don't say anything you don't want the world to hear.
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07-13-2010, 11:09 PM
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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And the pastor may have been misled by the ex-husband.
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Good point. Who really knows? I guess we should be ashamed for discussing this on the Internet. It's really none of our business. LOL!
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07-13-2010, 11:10 PM
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Good point. Who really knows? I guess we should be ashamed for discussing this on the Internet. It's really none of our business. LOL!
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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07-13-2010, 11:11 PM
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
I know I wouldn't want my life dissected here. Good grief, I have been a big mess at times in my life.
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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07-13-2010, 11:15 PM
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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Motive, whatever could make a Pentecostal or even a former Pentecostal wear a bikni? As I said once before, it could be something as simple as a way for her to give that church a big middle finger.
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That was my impression. Especially when I read this quote from the article. Sounded like she was really angry about other things, but then, I'm just speculating. LOL!
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“The statements were made and calculated to harm the plaintiff and to justify defendant’s daughter’s relationship with James Driver, who was previously divorced from plaintiff, and to obtain the church congregation’s approval of the relationship between James Driver and Reverend Fogarty’s daughter,” the lawsuit stated.
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There are many other motives for a Pentecostal/former Pentecostal to wear a bikini other than to reveal themselves to a guy.
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Please don't elaborate on this one. LOL!
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Not many have doubted that she wore a bikni. I believe she was. What many are doubting is that her husband found her alone with the other guy. The article never says that he claimed to have found them alone or without the other guys wife present.
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Well, it certainly did imply it, IMO.
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James Driver once found his then-wife Angela Driver wearing a bikini at a swimming pool while with the husband of a mutual friend.
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07-13-2010, 11:16 PM
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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I know I wouldn't want my life dissected here. Good grief, I have been a big mess at times in my life.
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So, true!!!! It's supposed to be okay because it was in the paper. LOL!
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07-13-2010, 11:20 PM
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So, true!!!! It's supposed to be okay because it was in the paper. LOL!
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I think there was just a lot of humiliation for all involved in this story. It's just that sad and pitiful.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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07-13-2010, 11:22 PM
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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Yeah, if you know you are being recorded. Don't say anything you don't want the world to hear.
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What we say on here is being recorded, just in writing rather than sound.
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I think much more should have been said about all of them.
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Good point. Who really knows? I guess we should be ashamed for discussing this on the Internet. It's really none of our business. LOL!
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One of the sites DA listed at the very beginning of this thread has a new note and a link to this page:
http://spiritualabuse.org/experience...k_fogarty.html
It starts with a rebuttal to the early insinuation that the plaintiff contacted that site. It goes on to say:
"It would be good for some to not jump to conclusions regarding this case before having more knowledge. If this public bulletin board discussion, with all the accusations and insinuations made there against [plaintiff], yet accusing her of being unfaithful in her marriage and more, is indicative at all of what happened with talk among members of [defendant's] church (& other churches) after the announcement was made by [defendant], it shows the public gossip and harm that can-and DOES- happen when such announcements are made over the pulpit. And this continued through page after page of discussion, despite the fact that it is quite evident [defendant] had no proof of physical fornication as such evidence would have been presented by his attorney in court as a means of his defense. Some on this discussion group should be ashamed of themselves. Your accusations get picked up by internet search engines and [plaintiff's] reputation becomes further damaged."
We would do well to all understand that. Several people have thought about how their husbands would react to seeing them dressed a certain way... did any stop to consider how the new couple, members of the church, or the woman who was accused might feel about our statements? They weren't private, after all... and some were very harsh. Nice witness. Will we brag tomorrow about this thread being at the top of a search engine list?
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