UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit! - Page 34

MissBrattified · #**331** 07-13-2010, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by James Griffin

Is that broad brush or are you implying I am not an Apostolic man?

Sorry, it was a very broad brush. When I say Apostolic, I think "ultra con." It's interchangeable in my head, and I haven't broken that connection yet.

James Griffin · #**332** 07-13-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Sorry, it was a very broad brush. When I say Apostolic, I think "ultra con." It's interchangeable in my head, and I haven't broken that connection yet.

LOL compared to a lot around here lately I am an ultra-con.

But with a revelation of grace nonetheless. :-)

Baron1710 · #**333** 07-13-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by James Griffin

LOL compared to a lot around here lately I am an ultra-con.

But with a revelation of grace nonetheless. :-)

Ultra-cons don't allow than sin to grow on their face JG.

Or that sinful jewelry either.

pelathais · #**334** 07-13-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Charnock

It's not all the woman's fault, and Elder Fogarty appears to have erred.

However, the bikini-clad pool issue is really revealing.

Yes, it does appear to indicate that the plaintiff was trending away from the usual Apostolic/Pentecostal lifestyle; though in no way does it suggest her involvement in "adultery, child molestation and bestiality" as the taped statement from the pulpit insinuated.

Hyping the alleged "falling away" of those who "go charismatic" and saying things like, "they're shacking up with young men" or "they had a hair cutting party on the platform while the 'backsliding pastor' toyed with his new pinkie ring" are similar charges that have even been made here.

This time, the guy who went too far was assessed with considerable legal fees and damages by a court. Perhaps there's a lesson to be learned?

James Griffin · #**335** 07-13-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

Ultra-cons don't allow than sin to grow on their face JG.

Or that sinful jewelry either.

Facial hair on men is now UPCI general conference platform standard approved or haven't you heard?

The Bible speaks of silver and gold and costly array as being sinful. The cross is stainless steel, and every garment I own combined would be maybe $400. I know plenty of my fellow cons which have individual suits worth four times that.

Funny aside, I went to lunch with several other members of the APF last year. I was the only one long sleeves, solid color shirt, (mine was white) and one of the few not sporting an expensive pen.

Don't own a pair of shorts, even for the gym. So yeah compared to most here I'm an ultra-con.

:-)

James Griffin · #**336** 07-13-2010, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Yes, it does appear to indicate that the plaintiff was trending away from the usual Apostolic/Pentecostal lifestyle; though in no way does it suggest her involvement in "adultery, child molestation and bestiality" as the taped statement from the pulpit insinuated.

Hyping the alleged "falling away" of those who "go charismatic" and saying things like, "they're shacking up with young men" or "they had a hair cutting party on the platform while the 'backsliding pastor' toyed with his new pinkie ring" are similar charges that have even been made here.

This time, the guy who went too far was assessed with considerable legal fees and damages by a court. Perhaps there's a lesson to be learned?

I know what the lesson was for me, did you notice the attorney's fees were over $200,00 !!!

DAII · #**337** 07-13-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

This thread is beginning to feel as if it needs to be merged with the Chauvinism thread. Apostolic women who stick with unbelieving men are praised for their tenacity and their faithful prayers for their non-Christian spouse. I've heard the stories all my life about determined little women who go to church and get beat for it and finally one day the man converts and everyone lives happily ever after.

Apparently Apostolic men are free to (or maybe encouraged to?) divorce their wives if they backslide or become something less than a "real Pentecostal."

Double standard, anyone?

I can't imagine my Dad threatening to leave my Mom for not going to church or wearing a bathing suit. Sorry. As ultra con as he was, he loved her more than anything, and she couldn't do wrong in his eyes. He probably would have chalked it up to a *hot flash*, stomped around the house yelling about it or maybe as a last resort, tried to rebuke the devil out of her, but divorce her? Perish the thought.

I think the problem we're having on this thread is that we don't know that she was ALONE with the friend's husband. There are two different ways to take the statement, but either way you take it, without further evidence, she's guilty of impropriety at worst.

I wonder if the definition of fornication was modified to include "exhibitionism" in order to make the accusation stand. I wonder if Pastor Fogarty had ever included that in the definition before?

Great post. It is as if the male , for the most part, is to pounce on any thread or bikini so as to exchange it for a get out jail free card.

I surely hope this was not one of the reasons for the divorce if initiated by Mr. Driver.

If so and if the ultra-con maxim is true that one's pastor is accountable for one's soul and this not being fornication even among those who see adultery as the only reason for divorce and remarriage than ... There are souls in eternal peril at the approval of their pastor

pelathais · #**338** 07-13-2010, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by James Griffin

I know what the lesson was for me, did you notice the attorney's fees were over $200,000 !!!

Maybe I can help you there. I'll put on a bikini and walk around some pools around here. It won't be a "divorce proceeding" though.

Do you handle involuntary commitments and remands to the state hospital?

James Griffin · #**339** 07-13-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Maybe I can help you there. I'll put on a bikini and walk around some pools around here. It won't be a "divorce proceeding" though.

Do you handle involuntary commitments and remands to the state hospital?

Yes I have handled some, but not sure how to Segue that into a 200 grand fee.

Jason B · #**340** 07-13-2010, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Slander aside: I don't think going swimming with someone else's husband is a good idea.

My husband wouldn't appreciate it, that's for sure.

Thats the truth.

If I find my wife in a bikini in a pool with another man (and no one else around) well........

Come on people, even if NOTHING had happened at the time, that is a recipe for disaster.