Interesting Article from a Conservative Apostolic

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

My apologies to PO!

Thank you. You may still keep my membership.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by the raven

CAF is great for the Pentecostal Apostolic movement! Granted there are some who call themselves Pentecostal Apostolic and over time prove their love for false doctrine and or its adherents (Tenney, Mangun, et al.). Nonetheless in a spirit of humility one is challenged to think no evil of another's motives unless of course the action resulted prove the motive as evil.

Let us go on into perfection while discarding both false doctrine and the insidious malfactorious leaders who themselves are clouds without water and reserved unto destruction.

Let's have revival!

Just so all may know. This poster is not Raven!
Raven

[Steve Epley]

Just a comment or two:
1. CAF is a private forum those being quoted used their own names not hiding behind for moniker. I did not read Bro. Graham being attacked PERSONALLY but his message being scrutinized as to the effect does he preach it at home? I know not?
2. That being said no one has a right to be malicious or ugly. I am pointed and clear in what I say I hope I am never malicious. But if maliciousness is stating folks are lost who do not adhere to the Apostolic message and lifestyle then what can I say. I do NOT believe anything is right outside this message and those who would dilute this message I see as enemies NOT personal enemies but enemies of truth and righteousness. So vigilance can come across as maliciousness which in truth is not. Example on the smoking thread it is beyond my wildest imagination that some could possibly believe folks could smoke and have the Holy Ghost I no more believe that than the Pope is Apostolic yet some felt I was being nasty. The great gulf is wide and fixed and becoming wider everyday.
3. The CAF and the AFF are two total different forums with different formats and structures I enjoy both. If you notice I use my own name in every forum I post on that makes me accountable to what I am saying.

[Sister Alvear]

My husband wrote a time or two on CAF and something changed and he said he has never been able to log on...so I cannot say anything about CAF. My son Raul might write there I really don´t know. We seldom discuss forums...I like to write as I work many days for long hours in the church office and even in spare time I am doing things for the church or church kids on the computer...so I write a lot here and every once in a while at GNC. I don´t have time to go on a lot of forums so mainly just post here.

I am surprized at some things I read here but I realize we all have different backgrounds. I really do not enjoy debating. I guess am getting to old for that. When I was younger there were a couple topics I loved to debate.

I have seen a lot of hurt and bitterness even in my own family and my husband´s family so I want to do my best to bridge gaps and be kind and help people. I think we can do that even if we do not see things alike.

[Sister Alvear]

I know so few people that is mentioned on this forum it would be hard for me to even state a correct opinion about many things. After being away for over 40 years so many things change.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

A horse and a goat both believe in oxygen. He gives his beliefs a bad name.

Unfortunately I can barely stomach his attitude and technique enough to even consider comparing our beliefs.

Go figure, Pastor Poster thought I was a conservative.

Bro, I've never considered you a fourth cousin, twice removed, of a conservative.

I just think you have some conservative allegiances through a variety of your friendships. Those allegiances sometimes cloud your better judgement.

rrford is my friend, but his posts on this thread are so biased it's revolting.

Many of you have missed the forest for the trees.

Here are the facts.

1. Anonymous blogger posts a link to an expose written to show what we already knew. A large portion of CAF posters are vitriolic gossips who excel in the character assassination of Oneness preachers they do not consider brothers.

Why do they separate themselves from good men like SG? Because SG (who is one of the most conservative men in the UPCI) doesn't agree that he has the right to condemn souls to Hell for non-essential garbage.

2. In response, AFF ultracons, who are a nearly extinct group, make a huge comeback. They land on our shores like troops storming Omaha Beach.

What do they do when they get here?

Do they condemn the posts of their fellow Pharisees?
Do they apologize that this CAF thread got so far out of hand?
Do they express regret, remorse or genuine repentance?

Nary a one.

Instead the conversation comes back to what they love most.

Rules.

I say these rules are meaningless.

You guys got no love.

None at all.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Bro, I've never considered you a fourth cousin, twice removed, of a conservative.

I just think you have some conservative allegiances through a variety of your friendships. Those allegiances sometimes cloud your better judgement.

rrford is my friend, but his posts on this thread are so biased it's revolting.

Many of you have missed the forest for the trees.

Here are the facts.

1. Anonymous blogger posts a link to an expose written to show what we already knew. A large portion of CAF posters are vitriolic gossips who excel in the character assassination of Oneness preachers they do not consider brothers.

Why do they separate themselves from good men like SG? Because SG (who is one of the most conservative men in the UPCI) doesn't agree that he has the right to condemn souls to Hell for non-essential garbage.

2. In response, AFF ultracons, who are a nearly extinct group, make a huge comeback. They land on our shores like troops storming Omaha Beach.

What do they do when they get here?

Do they condemn the posts of their fellow Pharisees?
Do they apologize that this CAF thread got so far out of hand?
Do they express regret, remorse or genuine repentance?

Nary a one.

Instead the conversation comes back to what they love most.

Rules.

I say these rules are meaningless.

You guys got no love.

None at all.

Your post is not factual and but it is filled with love!!!!!!!! I guess?????

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Bro, I've never considered you a fourth cousin, twice removed, of a conservative.

I just think you have some conservative allegiances through a variety of your friendships. Those allegiances sometimes cloud your better judgement.

rrford is my friend, but his posts on this thread are so biased it's revolting.

Many of you have missed the forest for the trees.

Here are the facts.

1. Anonymous blogger posts a link to an expose written to show what we already knew. A large portion of CAF posters are vitriolic gossips who excel in the character assassination of Oneness preachers they do not consider brothers.

Why do they separate themselves from good men like SG? Because SG (who is one of the most conservative men in the UPCI) doesn't agree that he has the right to condemn souls to Hell for non-essential garbage.

2. In response, AFF ultracons, who are a nearly extinct group, make a huge comeback. They land on our shores like troops storming Omaha Beach.

What do they do when they get here?

Do they condemn the posts of their fellow Pharisees?
Do they apologize that this CAF thread got so far out of hand?
Do they express regret, remorse or genuine repentance?

Nary a one.

Instead the conversation comes back to what they love most.

Rules.

I say these rules are meaningless.

You guys got no love.

None at all.

You've got to give RRFord this much, he did write:

Well now, that is an interesting question. Should we judge the answer by the responses given on this thread as it progresses? After all, slamming men that slam men still seems wrong scripturally to me. But hey, I am UPC

..., I'm a little fuzzy on who it was directed to but I think he meant it not only toward the men who spoke evil of SG on CAF but also as a warning to those on AFF who were going to speak evil of the men on CAF who blasted SG for being a hypocrite in saying SG talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by Raven

Just so all may know. This poster is not Raven!
Raven

I think that was very apparent to everyone Raven, or it should have been at least. I have never seen you post anything remotely as divisive as that. Your real posts have however been missed lately! I was enjoying your thoughts of the day posts!

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Bro, I've never considered you a fourth cousin, twice removed, of a conservative.

I just think you have some conservative allegiances through a variety of your friendships. Those allegiances sometimes cloud your better judgement.

rrford is my friend, but his posts on this thread are so biased it's revolting.

Many of you have missed the forest for the trees.

Here are the facts.

1. Anonymous blogger posts a link to an expose written to show what we already knew. A large portion of CAF posters are vitriolic gossips who excel in the character assassination of Oneness preachers they do not consider brothers.

Why do they separate themselves from good men like SG? Because SG (who is one of the most conservative men in the UPCI) doesn't agree that he has the right to condemn souls to Hell for non-essential garbage.

2. In response, AFF ultracons, who are a nearly extinct group, make a huge comeback. They land on our shores like troops storming Omaha Beach.

What do they do when they get here?

Do they condemn the posts of their fellow Pharisees?
Do they apologize that this CAF thread got so far out of hand?
Do they express regret, remorse or genuine repentance?

Nary a one.

Instead the conversation comes back to what they love most.

Rules.

I say these rules are meaningless.

You guys got no love.

None at all.

And you are my friend but your ability to read with comphension is obviously sorely lacking.

I expressed no bias. In fact, I SPECIFICALLY STATED that their responses were wrong. It seems that you always read what you want to read and then read into it what it does not say.

But hey, please go back and find my "biased" posts. Good luck with that. You won't find them. What you will find is me pointing out that folks doing the very thing they are accusing others of doing is not Christian. Go figure...but if it continues to fit your agenda of disliking anyone or anything YOU FEEL is conservative then have at it. But if you want to talk about bias, please point at your ownself first.

In thr future at least try to read what a person is actually saying instead of through your own bias. It keeps you from making totally incorrect assessments.