To marginalize the sin with lying and so forth to me is saying well everyone does it. But it is perversion. Adultery-fornication are horrid sins but NOT perversion.
To marginalize the sin with lying and so forth to me is saying well everyone does it. But it is perversion. Adultery-fornication are horrid sins but NOT perversion.
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perversion
1388, "action of turning aside from truth, corruption, distortion" (originally of religious beliefs), from pervert (v.) (q.v.). Psychological sense of "disorder of sexual behavior in which satisfaction is sought through channels other than those of normal heterosexual intercourse" is from 1892, originally including homosexuality.
"Perversions are defined as unnatural acts, acts contrary to nature, bestial, abominable, and detestable. Such laws are interpretable only in accordance with the ancient tradition of the English common law which ... is committed to the doctrine that no sexual activity is justifiable unless its objective is procreation." [A.C. Kinsey, et.al., "Sexual Behavior in the Human Male," 1948]
Sounds like these definitions agree with you.
I think what people are many times trying to say is not that homosexuality is normal but that those who commit such sins are still people needing salvation and that sometimes they end up where they are because perversion was deemed normal to them from childhood because they were vicimized by molestation or somesuch. Compassion is needed rather than judgment. Jesus didn't come into the world to condemn it because He that doesn't believe is condemned already. But He came into the world to save it.
I think what people are many times trying to say is not that homosexuality is normal but that those who commit such sins are still people needing salvation and that sometimes they end up where they are because perversion was deemed normal to them from childhood because they were vicimized by molestation or somesuch. Compassion is needed rather than judgment. Jesus didn't come into the world to condemn it because He that doesn't believe is condemned already. But He came into the world to save it.
I have preached and worked with homosexuals hoping for the best. I just have not seen any change for good. But others have reported they have so I rejoice. The scriptures are clear they can be saved. I would attempt to see any one of them saved.
I have preached and worked with homosexuals hoping for the best. I just have not seen any change for good. But others have reported they have so I rejoice. The scriptures are clear they can be saved. I would attempt to see any one of them saved.
That's good. There is just so many who want to shove down their throats how bad they are. That's probably just a knee-jerk reaction to the propoganda rhetoric that always preaches that homoseuxality is normal and should be embraced. But Jesus said they are condemned already.
What is so crazy to me is the way some folks want to make homosexuals and lesbians NORMAL.
You know, "it's like any other sin".
Seems that it's the "in thing" to be tolerant toward perversion.
There is NOTHING normal about what they do, it is perverted, nasty, filthy and sinful, not to mention that God calls it an abomination.
jmho
I don't believe homosexuality is normal, but I do think it is a sin that simply makes them a sinner, and from God's perspective, He died for them just the same as any other.
P.S. Lying is an abomination too.
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What is so crazy to me is the way some folks want to make homosexuals and lesbians NORMAL.
You know, "it's like any other sin".
Seems that it's the "in thing" to be tolerant toward perversion.
There is NOTHING normal about what they do, it is perverted, nasty, filthy and sinful, not to mention that God calls it an abomination.
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
I don't believe homosexuality is normal, but I do think it is a sin that simply makes them a sinner, and from God's perspective, He died for them just the same as any other.
P.S. Lying is an abomination too.
Right.
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
To marginalize the sin with lying and so forth to me is saying well everyone does it. But it is perversion. Adultery-fornication are horrid sins but NOT perversion.
Sin is sin, regardless what it is. Liars shall have their part in hell right along with homosexuals. It's Biblical fact.
Brother E, I knew a fellow who was gay. He came to the Lord around 1980 or so in his mid 30's. Tragically in 1985 or 86, he became sick with AIDS. His decline was very fast and he died of that terrible disease. He was engaged to a lady in the church but sadly they never married. She did take care of him in his final days.
He died full of the Holy Ghost.
I also knew a guy who got saved but had AIDS. Sadly, some in the church including the pastor did the family wrong. I was offended and upset, as I was a friend of the family and I loved their brother as my own.
However, he didn't suffer from AIDS, and I believe God spared him that, even though He took him anyway.
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To marginalize the sin with lying and so forth to me is saying well everyone does it. But it is perversion. Adultery-fornication are horrid sins but NOT perversion.
All ground is level at the cross.
Hypothetically speaking, your lying is no better than my lesbianism in the eyes of God, and we will both get the same punishment in the end.
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