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Old 04-15-2007, 12:54 AM
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Why don't People believe they will prophecy ?

Why don't people believe what God said they will do when filled with the Holy Ghost ?

God said they will prophecy and have dreams and visions when filled with the Holy Ghost.He didn't say they will speak in tongues.

Acts.2:16: But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel.17: And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams
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Old 04-15-2007, 01:02 AM
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There are two kind of gifts of tongues as Paul wrote about being gifts,)1Cor.13[1] Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.(They spoke in tongues of men on the day of Pentecost when filled with the Holy Ghost)

On the day of Pentecost they were prophesying in tongues and it was being interpreted in 17 different tongues from the mouths of the speakers to the ears of the hearers

(Ways tongues is interpreted,)1 Cor.14: 6. Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

(On the day of Pentecost it was interpreted because all the hearers understood in their own language.So there was the gift of tongues and the interpretation of tongues and prophecy.Three gifts on the day of Pentecost.)Acts2:[8] And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
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Old 04-15-2007, 01:10 AM
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Please note what happened here.Acts4:4.First the disciples were preaching and got 5,000 new believers but they were not filled with the Holy Ghost yet.Then later they went back to their own company of 5,000 new believers and prayed for them and they were filled with the Holy Ghost and spoke the word of God with boldness (Prophecy).They didn't speak with tongues when they were filled this first time, verse 23-31

23: And being let go, they went to their own company,(5000 new believers) and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said unto them.29: And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they (NOTE they NOT US) may speak thy word

30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.:31: And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they(5000 new believers) were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.(prophecy)
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Old 04-15-2007, 01:12 AM
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(Here they spoke in tongues and prophesied.)Acts 19:5: When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.6: And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

1Cor14:[5] I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying
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Old 04-15-2007, 01:14 AM
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We know that all who are filled with the Holy Ghost don't speak with tongues because Paul ask these questions.1 Cor.12:27: Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.28:And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues

29:Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?30: Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?31:But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.(The answer to all of these questions is NO)
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Old 04-15-2007, 06:15 PM
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This is what's going on in the church today when people are filled with the Holy Ghost.,1 Cor.14:23: If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad (crazy)?

This is what should be taking place in the church when filled with the Holy Ghost,1 Cor.14:24: But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:25: And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth

Acts.2:16: But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel.17: And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.
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Old 04-16-2007, 01:49 AM
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On the day of pentecost when they were filled with the Holy Ghost they spoke in tongues it was understood. Today when people are filled and speaks in tongues 99% of the time it is not understood.
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Old 04-17-2007, 01:02 PM
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Different signs follow in each persons life when filled with the Holy Ghost,to believe means you are born again.Mark16:17: And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;18: They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover
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Old 04-17-2007, 02:27 PM
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Sorry, we fully believe and embrace the truth that all who are filled with the spirit can and should prophesy.
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Old 04-17-2007, 02:35 PM
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Sorry, we fully believe and embrace the truth that all who are filled with the spirit can and should prophesy.
The point I'm making is that most believe when a person is filled with the Holy Ghost they will speak with tongues.The scripture don't teach that.God said they will prophecy and have dreams and visions.Jesus said these signs shall fellow them,he didn't say just tongues.Different signs follow in different peoples lives when or after they are filled.
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