The Spirit Realm

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Faith is not a force. Buddy, I grew up immersed in eastern philosophy, yoga, hermetic philosophy, kabbala, zen, Hinduism, Buddhism (both Japanese and especially Tibetan), high magick, Golden Dawn, Religious Science, Urantia, LaVey, Rosae Crucis, and a lot more.

I am telling you, you are simply reiterating standard Eastern and Hermetic ideas.

There is no new thing under the sun. I think people get paranoid and in doing so they often throw the baby out with the bathwater. My point is, just because some scientific discoveries are similar to concepts in Eastern Hermetic ideas, it doesn't mean that we disregard them out of hand. Besides, most ancient Eastern spiritual traditions are far more focused on concentration and various states of consciousness than Western spiritual traditions. If there is a connection between matter and consciousness on the quantum level, which tradition would most likely stumble over it? The Eastern tradition. However, the Eastern tradition would then incorporate it into their religious worldviews and attribute various understandings to their "gods" or concepts. However, long after Hinduism is dead and gone.... the quantum mechanics it stumbled upon would still be very much alive... divorced from ancient pagan practice or conceptualizations of deity.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I never said that faith was a "force". Faith is a matter of consciousness. What you conceive or perceive can affect reality. For example, if you pray and believe for a healing, you may very well receive one.

You were describing faith and miracles as if faith were a psychic force directing ambient energy to produce desired results.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

There is no new thing under the sun. I think people get paranoid and in doing so they often throw the baby out with the bathwater. My point is, just because some scientific discoveries are similar to concepts in Eastern Hermetic ideas, it doesn't mean that we disregard them out of hand. Besides, most ancient Eastern spiritual traditions are far more focused on concentration and various states of consciousness than Western spiritual traditions. If there is a connection between matter and consciousness on the quantum level, which tradition would most likely stumble over it? The Eastern tradition. However, the Eastern tradition would then incorporate it into their religious worldviews and attribute various understandings to their "gods" or concepts. However, long after Hinduism is dead and gone.... the quantum mechanics it stumbled upon would still be very much alive... divorced from ancient pagan practice or conceptualizations of deity.

You don't seem to understand Eastern concepts or religion. There are 100,000,000 gods in Hinduism... and yet there is only one God in Hinduism. Every deity and demigod is a "force" of reality, which is a product of Mind. Thus, there are no "gods", there is only Mind. Brahman, also known as Atman. God, also known as Self.

Quantum physics isn't really science, per se. It's pagan philosophy and metaphysics in modern western secular materialistic verbiage.

The Tao of Physics is a good starter book to read on this subject.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Faith is not a force.

Really? Something that can move mountains is not a force? It might be well to reflect how God is inescapable, in a manner of speaking, and, uh, well and nothing

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Aquila

There is no new thing under the sun. I think people get paranoid and in doing so they often throw the baby out with the bathwater. My point is, just because some scientific discoveries are similar to concepts in Eastern Hermetic ideas, it doesn't mean that we disregard them out of hand. Besides, most ancient Eastern spiritual traditions are far more focused on concentration and various states of consciousness than Western spiritual traditions. If there is a connection between matter and consciousness on the quantum level, which tradition would most likely stumble over it? The Eastern tradition. However, the Eastern tradition would then incorporate it into their religious worldviews and attribute various understandings to their "gods" or concepts. However, long after Hinduism is dead and gone.... the quantum mechanics it stumbled upon would still be very much alive... divorced from ancient pagan practice or conceptualizations of deity.

nice==i think God, being Love, might be even more forgiving

[shazeep]

Quantum physics isn't really science, per se. It's pagan philosophy and metaphysics in modern western secular materialistic verbiage.

if this is true, then the math will not work out, i wouldn't think? And also we will always have Nassim H's suggesting better models. So i don't see how you can really believe that. Bohr's Atom is a reflection of God, imo.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You were describing faith and miracles as if faith were a psychic force directing ambient energy to produce desired results.

you are uncomfortable with this because it impugns upon your religious understanding, but if it is not true then it won't produce any fruit, and it will die, and if it is true then resistance is useless. But it is no less reverent of God, necessarily. I mean, if someone is trying to use this as some higher knowledge of faith to get a Mercedes Benz, it isn't going to work anyway, is it?

[shazeep]

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I agree. This isn't about salvation. This is only discussing the fabric of reality seeing that the topic is, "The Spiritual Realm". Rather one clings to Newtonian concepts or embraces the discoveries of modern quantum physics, one still must be born again of the water and of the Spirit if they wish to be saved.

Essentially, Jesus said that with faith, we can move mountains and have them cast into the sea. Quantum physics is simply discovering the mechanics that makes faith capable of moving mountains. Understanding the probability units of energy helps to explain why Elisha's bones raised the dead after a dead man was thrown on top of them, or why Jesus felt "virtue" (power) depart from Him when the woman with an issue of blood touched the hem of his garment. It explains why aprons worn by Paul were imbued with power to heal the sick and drive out demons. The point is, some say that all these things are fanciful mythology, magic, or are "impossible". Quantum physics is an entire field of science that answers, "Wait. Actually, it is possible to move mountains by faith. And probability unites of energy can be stored within the atomic structure of a thing at the quantum level to be released upon conscious desire."

It isn't about salvation, it is simply the "how and why" (the science) behind faith and how it works. It proves that indeed the universe as we know it is structured to reward faith, if one has that gift, and with it bring the miraculous. It isn't "magic" or the wishing for a "cosmic Santa Claus" to do something for you.

We truly have the power to move mountains by faith. And the Spirit can unlock that faith. Don't believe me? Did not Paul and Silas pray and an earthquake rock the prison they were in? Friend, their prayer, their faith, their conscious focus on God in praise and worship.... shifted the entire Arabian and African continental plates, thereby causing an earthquake. Their prayer rattled the tectonic system of the Middle East. If that isn't moving mountains, I don't know what is.

Here is the major danger:

If a quantum physicist can discover the mechanics through science, and not by faith, then it won't be long until he or she can discover the means whereby the mechanics can activate and make the desired result a reality.

And guess what? There are all sorts of demons just waiting to lend a hand in making that happen.

Lying signs and wonders, anyone?

For the faithful in Christ, the mechanics, of how faith moves mountains, is that the God and Father of our Lord Jesus of Nazareth, makes the mountains move based upon our faith.

Trying to dig deeper than that, and especially by going up some other way, is not going to lead to God or His Son, but to something else.

You might, just for a second, take Esaias at his word and believe he actually knows what he's talking about, in the realm of which he speaks.

You might just for a second ask, if what you're dabbling in, and arguing for, is esoteric occultism, that bears no resemblance at all to the faith of Paul and Silas.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Here is the major danger:

If a quantum physicist can discover the mechanics through science, and not by faith, then it won't be long until he or she can discover the means whereby the mechanics can activate and make the desired result a reality.

And guess what? There are all sorts of demons just waiting to lend a hand in making that happen.

Lying signs and wonders, anyone?

For the faithful in Christ, the mechanics, of how faith moves mountains, is that the God and Father of our Lord Jesus of Nazareth, makes the mountains move based upon our faith.

Trying to dig deeper than that, and especially by going up some other way, is not going to lead to God or His Son, but to something else.

You might, just for a second, take Esaias at his word and believe he actually knows what he's talking about, in the realm of which he speaks.

You might just for a second ask, if what you're dabbling in, and arguing for, is esoteric occultism, that bears no resemblance at all to the faith of Paul and Silas.

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