The Spirit Realm - Page 4

Esaias · #31 06-10-2016, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

the alternative seems to be to believe what your eyes see, and believe that we see clearly, and not darkly.
...and calleth those things which be not as though they were. Perhaps dream is not the best word here, but it is close, and while physics surely isn't the best model, any deficiencies will eventually be ruled out on the evidence, don't you think?

Einstein's theories were widely ridiculed at first, by physicists; but it can be argued that Einstein has given us a larger understanding of God.

I don't think you have an accurate understanding of who Einstein was or what he accomplished... or failed to accomplish...

The Bible teaches that the wisdom of man does not bring anyone closer to God nor does it even know God at all.

This is an example of how humanistic thinking and paradigms have infected Christians, they no longer think with a Biblical worldview. They have bought the lie that man, by wisdom, CAN know God.

And so therefor, much of Christianity, on many levels, is just humanism with a pseudo-biblical vocabulary. And then people wonder why so many abandon the faith and become agnostics, atheists, gnostics, deists, or even AFF philosophers.

thephnxman · #32 06-10-2016, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

I don't think you have an accurate understanding of who Einstein was or what he accomplished... or failed to accomplish...
The Bible teaches that the wisdom of man does not bring anyone closer to God nor does it even know God at all.
This is an example of how humanistic thinking and paradigms have infected Christians, they no longer think with a Biblical worldview. They have bought the lie that man, by wisdom, CAN know God.
And so therefor, much of Christianity, on many levels, is just humanism with a pseudo-biblical vocabulary. And then people wonder why so many abandon the faith and become agnostics, atheists, gnostics, deists, or even AFF philosophers.

Good points, Brother!

shazeep · #33 06-10-2016, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

I don't think you have an accurate understanding of who Einstein was or what he accomplished... or failed to accomplish...

The Bible teaches that the wisdom of man does not bring anyone closer to God nor does it even know God at all.

This is an example of how humanistic thinking and paradigms have infected Christians, they no longer think with a Biblical worldview. They have bought the lie that man, by wisdom, CAN know God.

And so therefor, much of Christianity, on many levels, is just humanism with a pseudo-biblical vocabulary. And then people wonder why so many abandon the faith and become agnostics, atheists, gnostics, deists, or even AFF philosophers.

well, that is at least cute, but it may be that "man's wisdom" is being misinterpreted here, and Einstein might be said to be revealing God's wisdom, which men roundly fought and denounced until the evidence became overwhelming. Man's wisdom = time is absolute, and God's wisdom = time is subjective, iow, and you might perhaps be putting yourself in the pope's place in condemning Copernicus, so to speak.

Aquila · #34 06-10-2016, 01:34 PM

When comparing man's wisdom with God's wisdom we're supposed to be comparing philosophy, spiritual practice, and morals.

However, with regards to the creation (and all sciences that help us understand it) the Bible says:

Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Creation points to a creator. Design points to a designer. And if in quantum physics the energy units serving as the basic building blocks of matter are dependent upon consciousness, quantum physics points to a higher consciousness ruling the universe. Through these things, the invisible things of God are clearly seen by being understood by the things that are made, even God's own eternal power and deity. This leaves all who reject the reality of there being a God without excuse.

Psalm 19:1-3 (KJV)
19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

Acts 17:27-28 (KJV)
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

Colossians 1:17 (KJV)
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Job 22:28 (KJV)
Thou shalt also decree a thing, and it shall be established unto thee:

Matthew 21:21 (KJV)
Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

Mark 11:23 (KJV)
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

Mark 9:23 (KJV)
Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

Mark 11:24 (KJV)
Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Hebrews 11:1-3 (KJV)
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Aquila · #35 06-10-2016, 01:41 PM

Awesome explanation of the Double Slit Experiment that opened the Pandora's Box of Quantum physics:

Aquila · #36 06-10-2016, 01:44 PM

A more "basic" explanation of the Double Slit Experiment:

Esaias · #37 06-10-2016, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

So, you don't believe that faith moves mountains?

Faith is not a force. Buddy, I grew up immersed in eastern philosophy, yoga, hermetic philosophy, kabbala, zen, Hinduism, Buddhism (both Japanese and especially Tibetan), high magick, Golden Dawn, Religious Science, Urantia, LaVey, Rosae Crucis, and a lot more.

I am telling you, you are simply reiterating standard Eastern and Hermetic ideas.

Esaias · #38 06-10-2016, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

A more "basic" explanation of the Double Slit Experiment:

https://debunkingrelativity.com/2013...it-experiment/

Aquila · #39 06-10-2016, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Faith is not a force. Buddy, I grew up immersed in eastern philosophy, yoga, hermetic philosophy, kabbala, zen, Hinduism, Buddhism (both Japanese and especially Tibetan), high magick, Golden Dawn, Religious Science, Urantia, LaVey, Rosae Crucis, and a lot more.

I am telling you, you are simply reiterating standard Eastern and Hermetic ideas.

I never said that faith was a "force". Faith is a matter of consciousness. What you conceive or perceive can affect reality. For example, if you pray and believe for a healing, you may very well receive one.

Aquila · #40 06-10-2016, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Faith is not a force. Buddy, I grew up immersed in eastern philosophy, yoga, hermetic philosophy, kabbala, zen, Hinduism, Buddhism (both Japanese and especially Tibetan), high magick, Golden Dawn, Religious Science, Urantia, LaVey, Rosae Crucis, and a lot more.

I am telling you, you are simply reiterating standard Eastern and Hermetic ideas.

Really? Jack of all trades, master of none? lol