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03-04-2015, 08:21 PM
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Re: One More CLC Stockton Question
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That's smart...
I think a congregation should have multiple services until its an easy move financially.
The idea of "build it and they will come" puts undue financial stress on the saints, which is unbiblical.
Building an auditorium is not our problem. We should just bring folks into the Kingdom and let folks give as they wish. The more folks that are saved, the more they will receive for their projects.
It just stands to reason.
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Yup. We are expanding at our current location which is a 114 year old warehouse. There is room to build out a 1500 seat sanctuary while still retaining our current space. That is a project that will probably be done at the end of this year or beginning of next and in the meantime we are adding a fourth weekend service beginning March 21.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-04-2015, 10:59 PM
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Re: One More CLC Stockton Question
Amen, there is no hurry about the building...only getting souls saved. The building will naturally be available financially when there are folks joining your congregation.
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03-04-2015, 11:03 PM
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Re: One More CLC Stockton Question
Honestly not having your own building is a strange concept to me? I guess I am way old. 
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03-05-2015, 09:59 AM
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Re: One More CLC Stockton Question
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Honestly not having your own building is a strange concept to me? I guess I am way old. |
I understand as I would rather own also. Our landlord is a very successful businessman in town who owns a lot of commercial real estate. He is a christian and has worked with us very well.
The space itself is very cool. It is brick and has high ceilings so perfect for the sanctuary. When we leased it the only finished out space was the part where the auditorium is at. We were able to design and build out the Sunday School and nursery area as we liked. The same when we leased additional space for offices, meeting rooms ,etc. This will also be the case as we take even more space to build out the new auditorium.
I would not normally have considered our location a good one for a church. The positive is that it is very close to downtown and a major retail area of our town. The negative is that it is in a commercial district. Most people will never pass by it and see it while traveling about our town. Yet this hasn't hindered our growth.
Before our first Sunday there we were averaging around 450 in attendance and the first Sunday there we had a little over 700 and have never looked back. In the first couple of months of this year I think we have hit over 1400 some Sundays. Pretty phenomenal given our location. We also have done it without any gimmicks. No ipad giveaways on Easter Sundays, no Sunday School contests to see who can invite the most, etc.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-05-2015, 03:52 PM
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Re: One More CLC Stockton Question
I was a church treasurer for many years. Most of the church budget went to labor and for building expenses. If a building is a tool sued for ministry, then it is useful. We use our building nearly every day for one service or another.
But they consume large portions of the budget.
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03-15-2015, 09:10 PM
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Re: One More CLC Stockton Question
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I was a church treasurer for many years. Most of the church budget went to labor and for building expenses. If a building is a tool sued for ministry, then it is useful. We use our building nearly every day for one service or another.
But they consume large portions of the budget.
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We do not share our facility with anybody so it is just like owning the building in most ways. We have complete and exclusive use of it 7 days a week 24 hours a day. Activities are going on at the facility pretty much 7 days a week.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-15-2015, 09:15 PM
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Re: One More CLC Stockton Question
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We do not share our facility with anybody so it is just like owning the building in most ways. We have complete and exclusive use of it 7 days a week 24 hours a day. Activities are going on at the facility pretty much 7 days a week.
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Pastor does not want to have the pressure of a large church note affecting any of the decision making or actions of the church and I understand that. Right now we are debt free and don't owe anybody anything for anything. All of the chairs, equipment, etc are paid for. This gives us a lot of freedom in using our money for outreach, missions, etc.
Right now we have been saving money each month to build out the new auditorium by the end of the year. That will require a lot of additional seating, new sound system, new platform, etc not to mention central heat & AC, lighting, additional parking, and on and on. All of that will be paid for as we go so we should still be debt free when we more than double our square footage
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-15-2015, 11:16 PM
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Re: One More CLC Stockton Question
Good stewardship!!! 
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03-18-2015, 08:41 AM
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Re: One More CLC Stockton Question
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Originally Posted by Sean
That's smart...
I think a congregation should have multiple services until its an easy move financially.
The idea of "build it and they will come" puts undue financial stress on the saints, which is unbiblical.
Building an auditorium is not our problem. We should just bring folks into the Kingdom and let folks give as they wish. The more folks that are saved, the more they will receive for their projects.
It just stands to reason.
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Amen! I compare it to building a whole new highway when you could just add a lane (service) or two. Your still going the same direction, but you just doubled your capacity, while minimizing the expenses.
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03-18-2015, 09:15 AM
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Re: One More CLC Stockton Question
Adding all those services must be for a young man the two on Sunday wears this preacher out.
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