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Re: Did You Scorn Leaving the UPC?
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It is very telling to me that every time anyone brings up a "not safe" subject, meaning anything negative about the UPC, like it's ugly hang nail on it's big ugliest toe that is the most obvious fault of the UPC, some people just can't handle the slightest bit of criticism at all. I think that is very sad. For these people, there is no rationality to constructive criticism for they believe that ANY criticism is hateful and spiteful.
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no that's not the problem and you know it. It's not "any time"..it's the fact that it happens ALL the time over and over and over and over. You don't see it because you are not on the receiving end.
How would you feel if your friend or spouse constantly ragged on you over and over and over..criticized you?
It gets OLD real fast
Second, I have NO problem with "unsafe subjects", as you can see I have discussed every topic pertaining to beliefs and practices. I have dealt with standards, tongues, godhead, attitudes, magic hair etc etc
I can DO that without saying "The UPC...."
Do You understand? Even those who are not in the UPC have gotten tired of it.
Why can't we talk about the topics by finding common ground instead of alienating UPCers?
Why can't we talk about topics without having to always make it specifically about the UPCers?
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04-27-2014, 06:29 PM
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Re: Did You Scorn Leaving the UPC?
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Prax, not sure I understand the title of this thread. Do you mean did a person scorn the UPC when they left? Asking "did you scorn when you left the UPC" seems odd phrasing.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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04-28-2014, 09:56 AM
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Re: Did You Scorn Leaving the UPC?
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no that's not the problem and you know it. It's not "any time"..it's the fact that it happens ALL the time over and over and over and over. You don't see it because you are not on the receiving end.
How would you feel if your friend or spouse constantly ragged on you over and over and over..criticized you?
It gets OLD real fast
Second, I have NO problem with "unsafe subjects", as you can see I have discussed every topic pertaining to beliefs and practices. I have dealt with standards, tongues, godhead, attitudes, magic hair etc etc
I can DO that without saying "The UPC...."
Do You understand? Even those who are not in the UPC have gotten tired of it.
Why can't we talk about the topics by finding common ground instead of alienating UPCers?
Why can't we talk about topics without having to always make it specifically about the UPCers?
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This might surprise you, but I think I can relate. My husband as most know, is an Atheist. And he is a great guy, and we are very much in love. But every once in awhile, he makes one snarky comment too many. And I'm all like "Errrggg...I get it. Christianity is stupid, and Jesus doesn't exist. Point made. Please drop it."
And he always looks so surprised and confused and says "I'm sorry, It was just a joke"
ILG - I, of course, totally understand your perspective too, because I've traveled the same paths.
It's like how when you're a kid, YOU can pick on your little brother, but you'll beat up anyone else who tries?
To people like ILG and I, because of our past, still feel that partial connection to the UPC that will never be erased, as it once was a major part of our lives.
But I think to others, those who are still a part, we've left and rejected the family, and therefore have lost the right to safely criticize.
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04-28-2014, 10:03 AM
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Re: Did You Scorn Leaving the UPC?
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This might surprise you, but I think I can relate. My husband as most know, is an Atheist. And he is a great guy, and we are very much in love. But every once in awhile, he makes one snarky comment too many. And I'm all like "Errrggg...I get it. Christianity is stupid, and Jesus doesn't exist. Point made. Please drop it."
And he always looks so surprised and confused and says "I'm sorry, It was just a joke"
ILG - I, of course, totally understand your perspective too, because I've traveled the same paths.
It's like how when you're a kid, YOU can pick on your little brother, but you'll beat up anyone else who tries?
To people like ILG and I, because of our past, still feel that partial connection to the UPC that will never be erased, as it once was a major part of our lives.
But I think to others, those who are still a part, we've left and rejected the family, and therefore have lost the right to safely criticize.
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I understand what you are saying, Mich, but as far as I am concerned I will always have the right to chime in about this organization. I have earned that right.  However, I rarely do because of all the drama that surrounds it. It gets wearisome.
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04-28-2014, 10:28 AM
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I understand what you are saying, Mich, but as far as I am concerned I will always have the right to chime in about this organization. I have earned that right. However, I rarely do because of all the drama that surrounds it. It gets wearisome. |
Just curious, how long ago did you last attend an UPC endorsed service?
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04-28-2014, 10:37 AM
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Re: Did You Scorn Leaving the UPC?
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I understand what you are saying, Mich, but as far as I am concerned I will always have the right to chime in about this organization. I have earned that right. However, I rarely do because of all the drama that surrounds it. It gets wearisome. |
I understand. 
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Just curious, how long ago did you last attend an UPC endorsed service?
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For me, it was 2007. I did things big back then, so I made a big announcement, and garnered a 50+ page thread.
( http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ead.php?t=4851 )
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04-28-2014, 10:43 AM
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Re: Did You Scorn Leaving the UPC?
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Just curious, how long ago did you last attend an UPC endorsed service?
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What difference does it make?
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04-28-2014, 10:47 AM
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What difference does it make?
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As stated, I was curious. If you don't want to answer, that's fine.
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04-28-2014, 10:48 AM
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As stated, I was curios. If you don't want to answer, that's fine.
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I tried asking how many UPC churches ILG has been in and was given the run around as well.
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04-28-2014, 10:49 AM
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Re: Did You Scorn Leaving the UPC?
I have learned that it is never okay to criticize the UPC (in my experience).
It was not okay when I was newly in the church because I was new and didn't "understand".
It was not okay when my husband was the assistant pastor and I was worship leader because we were just assisting.
It was not okay when we were in Home Missions because we were new pastors.
It was not okay when we started pastoring an established work because "they" said so.
It was not okay when we found embezzling going on because we were supposed to let the district superintendent handle it.
It was not okay when the district superintendent did not handle it but pushed it up under the rug.
It was not okay when we were leaving.
It was not okay after we left because we were "bitter" and "backslid".
It is not okay now because we no longer attend.
See, it just isn't okay.
Which means, according to the UPC, it is not and never was okay for me to have an opinion, a voice, a question, a comment or ANYTHING negative.
But it was okay when we assisted for free for 9 years. It was okay when we built a church and financed it for 5 years. It was okay when we pastored practically for free for another 5 years.
See, giving and praising and all that is okay.
But don't you ever, ever criticize, even if people are embezzling and the district superintendent is covering it up. Because that would be WRONG!
And there you have it. 
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