Marriage Rejuvenation?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So, Chris?

Do you go back to the Quakers for a divorce?

Or do you just walk out?

First, our marriage was fashioned after the Quakers, it wasn't in care of the Quakers.

Second, I'm a believer. I'm not to leave. Only an unbelieving or apostate spouse can leave, and leave the believer unbound, civil marriage or not.

I Corinthians 7:10-15
10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Just my point.

With all your ho hum on avoiding the Darth Vader and the evil empire you eventually end up back under the wheels.

Yes, Caesar is rather pervasive.

So, just because you can't escape Caesar's overreach, you sell out to lick his boots?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So, when the divorce issue comes up in one of these "let's play house" marriages, do you just walk out to your next lady love?

That was already covered.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

Wait. I thought "Bill" was against government involvement and courts. Or is it okay when it suits him?

I said he "can", not that he "should". He should be willing to suffer wrong before going before unbelieving courts. May the greater sin be upon the woman who robs a man of his children.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

Why wouldn't it be a problem? You're allowing a heathen court to decide how much you will pay for child support. Child support is my field. I've managed stipulation conferences, and attended establishment hearings and enforcement hearings. You posted previously of how bad divorce court was because it caused people to lie to gain advantage. It's just as bad with child support.

Do Quakers pick and choose what issue they take to court? Because child support is through the courts.

Then you should know that child support can be determined and abided by without battling in court.

[Aquila]

Here's an honest article on marriage:

What constitutes marriage according to the Bible?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.got...nstitutes.html

In summary it explains:

So, what constitutes marriage in God’s eyes? It would seem that the following principles should be followed: 1) As long as the requirements are reasonable and not against the Bible, a man and a woman should seek whatever formal governmental recognition is available. 2) A man and a woman should follow whatever cultural, familial, and covenantal practices are typically employed to recognize a couple as “officially married.” 3) If possible, a man and a woman should consummate the marriage sexually, fulfilling the physical aspect of the “one flesh” principle.

What if one or more of these principles are not fulfilled? Is such a couple still considered married in God’s eyes? Ultimately, that is between the couple and God. God knows our hearts (1 John 3:20). God knows the difference between a true marriage covenant and an attempt to justify sexual immorality.

This is isn't even Quaker, and they concede to the truth.

[Aquila]

I contend that marriage is a natural right, and a couple has a natural right, under natural law, to enter covenant before God without involving the government.

Natural Law:
Natural law (Latin: ius naturale, lex naturalis) is a philosophy asserting that certain rights are inherent by virtue of human nature endowed by nature; traditionally God or a transcendent source, and can be understood universally through human reason. As determined by nature, the law of nature is implied to be universal existing independently of the positive law of a given state, political order, legislature or society at large.

Think about this. The government requires a marriage "license" before it will recognize a marriage. A license is permission to do that which is illegal. No license was needed prior to all this. Where does government get the right to make marriage illegal?

Your marriage is illegal. Everyone's marriage is illegal. That's why you needed a license to get the government to recognize it.

It's an assault on our natural rights.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Then you should know that child support can be determined and abided by without battling in court.

Every state has guidelines and a worksheet which determines the amount of child support. In some cases a couple may deviate from the guidelines, but in every case, the order must be approved by the AGs office and signed by a Judge or Commissioner in court. A couple may sign a stipulated agreement, but it must be approved by an AG and signed by the court in order to be effective and binding.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by n david

Wait. I thought "Bill" was against government involvement and courts. Or is it okay when it suits him?

Well, that's because Bill is a flaming hypocrite. He makes his Christianity revolve around ecclesiastical cliches, pious quotes, intellectual snippets, and outright lies. He wants one and all to see himself as always seeking for a Biblical, book, chapter, and verse correctness. While all the while his mind is a virtual terrarium of creeping things. He beats the tin drum how he isn't married because of the evil godless government, but he has a job where he works for the evil godless government? He has his little Mennonite wedding, but only dabbled in the Mennonite religion. Yet, when Diane gets tired of Bill's Churchanity smoke and mirrors, she tells Bill that she is leaving. Do they go back to the Mennonites and have their names erased from the family Bible? Do they sit with the ancient ones of Menno Simmons religion of the bonnet? No, because these two chowder heads were never under any authority of the cult they were supposedly married in. So they just walk away. But Bill is now served with child support, wages garnished, drivers license (evil empire owns the roads) is suspended. Now Bill has to schlep it over to the dreaded evil "Family Court?"

Poor Bill, always making believe and never actually doing the heavy lifting.

Wants everyone and their mother to believe he is genuine. While all the while his mind is filled to the brim with harcore porn. He submits to nothing, the elders of his quackenbush home church rodeo haven't the slightest idea what he is doing, what he is currently involved in, or his activities in social media. Therefore the whole home church eldership foo foo is as farcical as his so called "Wanting to be Biblical"

The Bills and Dianes of this world mock the Apostolic movement, and the UPCI. But when they are set under the microscope they offer little in the way of doing it Biblical. If you follow them they always end up leaving you with the check.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yes, Caesar is rather pervasive.

So, just because you can't escape Caesar's overreach, you sell out to lick his boots?

Just as you are planning to do when you first posted that you and your girlfriend were going to get a civil marriage.

Aquila, your arguments are always bombshelled by what you are actually doing in real time.