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Old 07-14-2011, 03:30 PM
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Fulness of the Godhead

I'm new to this site, so if this is posted somewhere else feel free to move it.

I'm a One God believer and have studied and watched some Trinity-Oneness debates and I haven't found anywhere where Trinity's explain Colossians 2:9

Was just curious as to how they interpret that scripture. Not here to swirl the triple winds
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Old 07-14-2011, 03:48 PM
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Re: Fulness of the Godhead

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I'm new to this site, so if this is posted somewhere else feel free to move it.

I'm a One God believer and have studied and watched some Trinity-Oneness debates and I haven't found anywhere where Trinity's explain Colossians 2:9

Was just curious as to how they interpret that scripture. Not here to swirl the triple winds
I have

First of all it must be understood what Godhead means. The original greek word might be translated differently in something better than the KJV

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Col 2:9 For in him all the fullness of deity lives in bodily form,

Trinitarians, like us, believe that in the Son, lives all the fullness of Deity "in bodily form"...in other words Christ is not just a man but is fully God too
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Re: Fulness of the Godhead

How do they get 3 separate persons out of that scripture?
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How do they get 3 separate persons out of that scripture?
They don't.

As I said they get the Deity of the Son out of it. They use other verses to get the idea of three persons

BTW The Historical Doctrine of the Trinity never separates the persons. It only distinguishes them

When a Trinitarian says "separate" they are violating their own doctrinal tenets and moving towards Tritheism
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Old 07-14-2011, 04:46 PM
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Re: Fulness of the Godhead

Does the fullness of the Godhead reside in every Holy Ghost filled believer? Does that make them deity if it does? If not what part of the fullness of the Godhead is lacking in the Holy Ghost filled believer?
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Old 07-14-2011, 04:58 PM
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Does the fullness of the Godhead reside in every Holy Ghost filled believer? Does that make them deity if it does? If not what part of the fullness of the Godhead is lacking in the Holy Ghost filled believer?
The New Testament defines the believer as being in Christ..when he is filled with the Holy Spirit it is experienced...his inner man is regenerated by the Holy Spirit and the evidence of the Resurrection is in that person..life everlasting ..


we are members of his body we are all of one God who dwells in us..let us unify inthe Spirit..
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Old 07-14-2011, 05:17 PM
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Does the fullness of the Godhead reside in every Holy Ghost filled believer? Does that make them deity if it does? If not what part of the fullness of the Godhead is lacking in the Holy Ghost filled believer?
The fullness of Deity does not reside in every believer

Nor are we "the fullness of Deity in bodily form"

It's not analogous
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Old 07-14-2011, 05:37 PM
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The fullness of Deity does not reside in every believer

Nor are we "the fullness of Deity in bodily form"

It's not analogous
I think the question was, does the fullness of the *GODHEAD* reside in every believer.
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The fullness of Deity does not reside in every believer

Nor are we "the fullness of Deity in bodily form"

It's not analogous
What part of the fulness is absent in every believer?
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They don't.

As I said they get the Deity of the Son out of it. They use other verses to get the idea of three persons

BTW The Historical Doctrine of the Trinity never separates the persons. It only distinguishes them

When a Trinitarian says "separate" they are violating their own doctrinal tenets and moving towards Tritheism
Maybe Im wrong on this but I dont recall "separate"vs "distinct" being a part of the Oneness/Trinity debate until the last few years. I remember all Trins saying they were separate persons.

I was debating with Limey Bob on Paltalk this year sometime and I showed him in a Dictionary that separate and distinct are interchangeable.

If they are "distinct" persons they are "separate" persons.

I would say right now there are thousands of Trinitarian web sites that use the words "separate persons".
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