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Old 09-19-2007, 05:11 PM
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***Death, God's Timing and Unity: You don't want to miss this one***.

Please don't crucify me for this .... I have suffered my own loss, not to long ago, to know what grief is like and the insensitivity people can spew during this time .... Please forgive me if I offend anyone.

However, here goes:

Today, news of a high-profile death has rocked and saddened the fellowship that in about a week will decide it's fate on a critical issue.

Many key players involved in the debate will be not only mourning, but meeting together in mutual brotherhood, for the next few days to celebrate a great man's homecoming.

In my own experience, during Dad's funeral, I saw many people put aside their differences for the sake of unity during this hard time for a period of time.

Many people that are estranged often reconcile during times of mutual loss.

My question is .... during times like these does death temper man's tempers?

How does God's timing play a role in any of these type of situations?

Can death ... bring life by making us re-evaluate our relationships w/ others and God, himself?
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Old 09-19-2007, 05:22 PM
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Old 09-19-2007, 05:40 PM
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Yes to it all, Daniel. Good thoughts.
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Old 09-19-2007, 05:54 PM
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I've heard that there are no denominations in prisons. (Cuba, Vietnam, China etc)

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Cuban is not a denomination.
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Death makes us realize not everything is so important...only the eternal...
Daniel that is a very good post and my answer is yes..
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Yeah... I was like - I THOUGHT THAT WAS A CIGAR!
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Please don't crucify me for this .... I have suffered my own loss, not to long ago, to know what grief is like and the insensitivity people can spew during this time .... Please forgive me if I offend anyone.

However, here goes:

Today, news of a high-profile death has rocked and saddened the fellowship that in about a week will decide it's fate on a critical issue.

Many key players involved in the debate will be not only mourning, but meeting together in mutual brotherhood, for the next few days to celebrate a great man's homecoming.

In my own experience, during Dad's funeral, I saw many people put aside their differences for the sake of unity during this hard time for a period of time.

Many people that are estranged often reconcile during times of mutual loss.

My question is .... during times like these does death temper man's tempers?

How does God's timing play a role in any of these type of situations?

Can death ... bring life by making us re-evaluate our relationships w/ others and God, himself?
Death absolutely tempers tempers. My own family became less judgemental of each other when my father died several years ago.

I would hate to say anything about God's timing - if you mean regarding the death and the coming vote.... Who knows?

"Can death bring life..." very good - I like that.


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Daniel,

I absolutely believe that death can "temper man's tempers" and can bring reconcilation to people's relationships. I have seen families that weren't speaking to one another reconcile in such a situation - however, sometimes I have seen those same reconciliations fall apart within a short time. There is something about grieving together that helps put differences aside; but if you don't get to the root of the problem and work that out, the reconcilation's foundation is like a house built upon the sand. It cannot stand.

Having said that.... if you are referring to a reconciliation of the viewpoints of several of these "key players in this debate" - from my experience with this family..... that ain't gonna happen. Each of these men will grieve with their wives and support the family during this time and will together celebrate the life of a great man of God. However, next week when the debate is opened up - none of them will feel any differently about the resolution than they do now. Although his family has a great diversity of viewpoints regarding many spiritual issues, Brother Mac never tolerated arguments and harsh disagreements about these things at family gatherings. They will honor his wishes once again during the coming days - but next week when the business sessions begin, each of them will stand firm for what they believe.

Now.... they just MIGHT feel differently regarding how they will react after the vote. Prayerfully, that will be the case. That will be the test of whether God's timing played a role in this situation.

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Old 09-19-2007, 10:29 PM
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Daniel, my experience has been any reconciliation whether friend, family or foe, is usually short lived. If people who couldn't get along before choose to reconciliate, they eventually will find differences that will seperate the relationship again. People are quickly reminded why they couldn't get along to start with.

You just can't change a leopards stripes unless the leapord is willing to undergo surgery to have it done. Usually isn't the case.

Most offense that seperates relationship is so powerful it burns bridges and destroys trust.

The experience of death does cause one to reflect inward and consider for a brief moment of time their mortality. However, when habitual patterns return, old patterns reemerge destroying any progress that may have been made during those brief moments of reflection.

It's a new years resolution all over again, and at the end of the year, nothing has changed. Tragedy does humble us, but unless completely surrenderd and committed to change, once the moment passes, its dejavu all over again.

By the way, whos going to die? I have eternal life!!!
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