Pastors move to withhold/lessen SFC offerings in protest of NAYC

chaotic_resolve · #1 09-02-2007, 02:51 AM

I've been away for a while - due to a new job and a major change in schedule - so I apologize if this has already been addressed.

Today I had some time to catch up with some friends of mine (licensed ministers) and am more than a little disappointed with what I've heard. I've asked more than one about it and they've all confirmed the same.

I'm sickened by this. Completely disgusted.

Apparently, in a manner of protesting the sinful '07 NAYC, several Pastors are either withholding or significantly lessening the amount of their SFC offerings this year.

If you're a Pastor who is thinking about doing this, would you mind explaining what in the world you feel this will accomplish? Please, by all means, state why you think you should punish the ministries and people that are supported by SFC simply because of your childish tantrum over what happened at NAYC this year. Help me understand why you feel Tupelo, Lighthouse Ranch, Home and Foreign Missionaries, Bible Quizzing and other District events should pay for what happened at NAYC.

This is as stupid as Democratic Senators/Representatives blocking or withholding funds from the troops because they don't support the war.

Doing this does nothing but hurt and possibly permanently injure the ministries or other people that SFC supports. You sure you want to be a part of that? You sure God would honor your tantrum and attitude of "well, I'll make them pay for what happened . . . "

How dare these men. If they follow through with their threats, they'll have to answer to God for their ridiculous selfishness and arrogance. I cannot imagine God approving of this kind of attitude and action.

Any Pastor here on AFF thinking about making this kind of a childish statement?

JMO Sick . . . just sick.

SDG · #2 09-02-2007, 02:53 AM

Imagine if our High Priest had decided to withhold His offering because of our sin?

If a pastor feels he has the "right' to withhold his offering as a boycott... it was never an offering in the first place.

SDG · #3 09-02-2007, 02:55 AM

A sign of the times, CR.

chaotic_resolve · #4 09-02-2007, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Imagine if our High Priest had decided to withhold His offering because of our sin?

As we used to say in BC . . . "that'll preach."

BobDylan · #5 09-02-2007, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

A sign of the times, CR.

The REAL sign of the times is what went on at NAYC....

The UPCI is headed in the wrong direction my friend....

It truly is sad that Lighthouse Ranch, Tupelo, etc. etc. etc. will have to suffer BECAUSE OF THE BAD DECISIONS OF THE LEADERSHIP (I.E. HAZLEWOOD) OF THE UPCI... not the local pastors who disagree with the direction of the organization. I know pastors, who instead of routing their monies through UPCI foreign missions (and having about 2/3 taken out for "administrative costs") are sending their monies directly to the missionaries themselves, and they are receiving 100% of the money, instead of just 1/3.... Also, pastors can support Lighthouse Ranch and Tupelo directly without having to route their money through Hazlewood. What the local pastor are trying to do is withold support the worldly agendas of hazlewood moneygrabbers and displays of carnality as seen at NAYC...

JMHO

SDG · #6 09-02-2007, 03:42 AM

You can keep your politics and inconsistencies, BD. It's disgusting. Where is the grassroots outrage when others in the movement reify Magic Hair? There are no calls for boycotts of the literature advocating heresy.

What went on at NAYC is indeed the direction the next generation will take ... and God knows it's about time.

Money grabbers? Are you a licensed minister? ... perhaps it's time for you to make a decision.

Every time I see your name I'm reminded of a HQ official who boasted to me and a "worldy" sound technician that he had just attended a Dylan concert ..but God forbid we spread the Gospel using television airwaves .... the inconsistencies and frivolity was enough for me.

SDG · #7 09-02-2007, 03:59 AM

Isn't sending missionaries money directly against the rules? Using UC logic ... How is that any different from owning a tv?

BobDylan · #8 09-02-2007, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You can keep your politics and inconsistencies, BD. It's disgusting.

First of all, I have no stakes in politics. I am not UPC and don't plan to be. I am making an outside objective observation. I see where CR is coming from, and I understand and sympathise with the pastors who she is condemning.

What inconsistencies? It's easy to make an accusation but if there is no substantiation it's speaks volumes of the accuser. Show me what "inconsistencies" you are talking about!

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Where is the grassroots outrage when others in the movement reify Magic Hair? There are no calls for boycotts of the literature advocating heresy.

1. What is "Magic Hair"?

2. What "heresy" are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

What went on at NAYC is indeed the direction the next generation will take ... and God knows it's about time.

Judges 2:10
and there arose another generation after them, which knew not the LORD, nor yet the works which he had done for Israel.

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Money grabbers? Are you a licensed minister? ... perhaps it's time for you to make a decision.

I am not licensed. I have seen first hand from UPC missionaries I knew personally, who while on debutation, had to solicit three times what they would need while they were on their mission. They got only a third of the money they raised in pledges and commitments...

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Every time I see your name I'm reminded of a HQ official who boasted to me and a "worldy" sound technician that he had just attended a Dylan concert ..but God forbid we spread the Gospel using television airwaves .... the inconsistencies and frivolity was enough for me.

Inconsistencies? Frivolity? Please, give an example! I have maintained very consistent dialogs, AND RESPECTFUL, with several of the brethren and sisters on here... with a couple of exceptions. As far as I know, my positions on issues are VERY consistent. If you don't believe me, you're welcome to find out. Frivoloty? If someone attacks me or is disrespectful to me uneedfully, I will respond defensively. Noone has a right to be disrespectful to anyone! And if you want to try me out, go ahead!

BobDylan · #9 09-02-2007, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Isn't sending missionaries money directly against the rules? Using UC logic ... How is that any different from owning a tv?

I don't know what is and isn't against the rules. I know in the independent circles, we have to get our missionaries money somehow, and it AIN'T goin through hazlewood!

berkeley · #10 09-02-2007, 06:02 AM

The next generation shall rise forth victorious over many obstacles that the old guard has set before them. It is disgusting that you would say that this new generation does not know the Lord. Many know the Lord in a more personal way than those that came before them. The generation that accepts nothing without question. The generation that does radical things to reach their lost world, this generation shall bring forth a great harvest. You can build walls around your walls with your four and no more... old things are passing away. All things shall become new, and so shall it be with the next generation of Apostolics.