The Trinitarian dilema

Originalist · #1 06-18-2018, 02:35 PM

The Trinitarian dilema.

God exists as 3 persons. Without all of his persons, he is not God. Thus for God to die, all three persons would have to have died. But if even one of them died, he ceased to be fully God. That IS their dilema.

Amanah · #2 06-18-2018, 03:03 PM

do they say that God died? don't they say the Son died? as in God sent his only Son?

Originalist · #3 06-18-2018, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

do they say that God died? don't they say the Son died? as in God sent his only Son?

They do. But they also say that God is 3 persons, the Son being one of them.

n david · #4 06-18-2018, 03:28 PM

Co-existent, co-eternal is the verbiage I've read in various SOF's.

Scott Pitta · #5 06-18-2018, 03:33 PM

God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it.

Esaias · #6 06-18-2018, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

The Trinitarian dilema.

God exists as 3 persons. Without all of his persons, he is not God. Thus for God to die, all three persons would have to have died. But if even one of them died, he ceased to be fully God. That IS their dilema.

They confess each Person is God, therefore God is not a compound of three persons. They equivocate on the term "God", it can mean either one of the Persons, all three Persons together, or the Divine ousia each person fully possesses.

I think the real dilemma is tritheism (each Person is fully God) vs tripartite-ism (the whole Trinity is God, thus each Person is 1/3rd of God). They escape the dilemma via equivocating on the term "God", in my opinion.

1ofthechosen · #7 06-18-2018, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

The Trinitarian dilema.

God exists as 3 persons. Without all of his persons, he is not God. Thus for God to die, all three persons would have to have died. But if even one of them died, he ceased to be fully God. That IS their dilema.

I can see that I never looked at it from that angle.

Originalist · #8 06-18-2018, 08:02 PM

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I can see that I never looked at it from that angle.

Well, Esaias is right in that some Trinitarians do consider each member to be fully God in his own right, apart from the others. But others emphasize that God cannot be God without all3 members.

Scott Pitta · #9 06-18-2018, 08:37 PM

Does anyone agree with the Urshan "Tri-Unity" of the 3 in 1 God ?? He certainly had unique terms for God.

willvan · #10 06-18-2018, 08:51 PM

One common statement of trinitarians combined with their common belief is this: God the Father send his Eternal Son who is co-eternal, co-equal, etc. with the Father (and also co-eternal, co-equal, etc. with the Holy Spirit) from heaven down to earth to die for the sins of mankind. One apologist(?) on the John Ankerberg show said that God can do anything including dying. I could not believe that John Ankerberg let this go without comment. This was in response to quoted Islamic/Muslim statements that God is eternal and cannot die. Many if not most Trinitarians find some way to explain that God is eternal and cannot die.