Healthcare is not a right

[Originalist]

Being seduced by the idea that health care is a "right" leads to a complete misunderstanding of what rights are, and where they come from.

http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/...to-health-care

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Being seduced by the idea that health care is a "right" leads to a complete misunderstanding of what rights are, and where they come from.

http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/...to-health-care

Eh, they used to say that the right to a safe environment wasn't a workers right. They also used to say that the right to own property wasn't a negro's right. They also used to say that voting wasn't a woman's right.

Think of how those who thought such are viewed today. One day all will agree that healthcare is indeed a right for the sick, all who are sick. And our grandchildren are going to look back and think of those who argued that sick children, sick citizens, and the sick elderly didn't have a right to healthcare as being inhumane.

It feels good to be on the right side of history in the making. You're position will one day be looked at with shame, and the conservatives of that future hour will denounce that such a view was even conservative.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Eh, they used to say that the right to a safe environment wasn't a workers right. They also used to say that the right to own property wasn't a negro's right. They also used to say that voting wasn't a woman's right.

Think of how those who thought such are viewed today. One day all will agree that healthcare is indeed a right for the sick, all who are sick. And our grandchildren are going to look back and think of those who argued that sick children, sick citizens, and the sick elderly didn't have a right to healthcare as being inhumane.

It feels good to be on the right side of history in the making. You're position will one day be looked at with shame, and the conservatives of that future hour will denounce that such a view was even conservative.

A - it is a lot more complex than that.
In fact, people are not denied healthcare in the US, because they cannot pay.
If they are involved in an accident, they are taken to the hospital and treated. In fact, a medical professional can have their license revoked if they even walk by someone in need of life saving medical attention.
Anyone can go to an ER and receive treatment.
So, in effect we have socialized medicine here in the US.
What we are currently debating about is what level of care should be given.
Or what the cost should be for that level of care.

In my opinion, the incoming tide of baby boomers is forcing some bad decisions to be made.
I could write much more on this topic, as I have been very involved with healthcare for most of my career.

[aegsm76]

A - re-reading your last post reminds me of the old saying,

"It is easy to be generous with money that belongs to someone else".

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

A - it is a lot more complex than that.
In fact, people are not denied healthcare in the US, because they cannot pay.

Wrong. Sally Burton. A friend of ours. She didn't have health insurance. Not having health insurance, she didn't have regular checkups, physicals, etc. Well, she discovered a lump. She went to the ER because she had no where to turn. They performed an exam and scheduled her for a biopsy. It was cancer. Well, this is where it got sticky. When she couldn't provide proof of insurance, her options dwindled to nothing as it related to procedures to fight the cancer. While trying to raise money to cover her treatments, she died.

If they are involved in an accident, they are taken to the hospital and treated. In fact, a medical professional can have their license revoked if they even walk by someone in need of life saving medical attention.
Anyone can go to an ER and receive treatment.

My mother, Joyce Arlene Hall. She didn't have health insurance either. Again, that means she had no family doctor. She also didn't have regular physicals and checkups. She complained of discomfort in her chest. She went to the ER and they performed some tests. They diagnosed it as "stress" and recommended that she see her family physician and be referred to a specialist. Well, not having insurance or a family physician, that didn't happen. She died several months later of a massive heart attack.

So, in effect we have socialized medicine here in the US.

I have friends and family in Canada that I've gone to see many times. My lady love also has lived in the UK, Belgium, and the Netherlands. Trust me when I tell you, we don't have socialized medicine in the United States.

What we are currently debating about is what level of care should be given. Or what the cost should be for that level of care.

We ration healthcare based on ability to pay.

In my opinion, the incoming tide of baby boomers is forcing some bad decisions to be made. I could write much more on this topic, as I have been very involved with healthcare for most of my career.

Support H.R. 676.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

A - re-reading your last post reminds me of the old saying,

"It is easy to be generous with money that belongs to someone else".

Here is a dollar bill. Whose seal is upon it?

[Aquila]

Ever notice how the conservatives tell us that we don't have enough money for universal health insurance, public education, college grants, clean energy, civil infrastructure, or welfare programs? But we have endless amounts of cash for endless war, for-profit prison systems, corporate subsidies for corporations recording record profits, massive tax cuts for the ultra rich, and multiplied tax havens that help billionaires avoid paying their fair share?

I'm an American. I'm solidly middle class and I pay my taxes (unlike our President and so many billion dollar corporations). I expect services to be provided that benefit me and my family. Services from roads & highways, to public transportation, to emergency services, to education, to negotiated healthcare coverage, and to a common sense criminal justice system.

As we speak, the ultra rich are raiding the public trust of OUR tax dollars.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Ever notice how the conservatives tell us that we don't have enough money for universal health insurance, public education, college grants, clean energy, civil infrastructure, or welfare programs? But we have endless amounts of cash for endless war, for-profit prison systems, corporate subsidies for corporations recording record profits, massive tax cuts for the ultra rich, and multiplied tax havens that help billionaires avoid paying their fair share?

I'm an American. I'm solidly middle class and I pay my taxes (unlike our President and so many billion dollar corporations). I expect services to be provided that benefit me and my family. Services from roads & highways, to public transportation, to emergency services, to education, to negotiated healthcare coverage, and to a common sense criminal justice system.

As we speak, the ultra rich are raiding the public trust of OUR tax dollars.

A - so you expect the government to take care of you from cradle to grave.
Got it...
And while I disagree with you about the ultra rich comment, you do realize that BHO and the Dems gave away millions to their rich supporters.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Wrong. Sally Burton. A friend of ours. She didn't have health insurance. Not having health insurance, she didn't have regular checkups, physicals, etc. Well, she discovered a lump. She went to the ER because she had no where to turn. They performed an exam and scheduled her for a biopsy. It was cancer. Well, this is where it got sticky. When she couldn't provide proof of insurance, her options dwindled to nothing as it related to procedures to fight the cancer. While trying to raise money to cover her treatments, she died.



My mother, Joyce Arlene Hall. She didn't have health insurance either. Again, that means she had no family doctor. She also didn't have regular physicals and checkups. She complained of discomfort in her chest. She went to the ER and they performed some tests. They diagnosed it as "stress" and recommended that she see her family physician and be referred to a specialist. Well, not having insurance or a family physician, that didn't happen. She died several months later of a massive heart attack.



I have friends and family in Canada that I've gone to see many times. My lady love also has lived in the UK, Belgium, and the Netherlands. Trust me when I tell you, we don't have socialized medicine in the United States.



We ration healthcare based on ability to pay.



Support H.R. 676.

A - so, should the same level of care be provided to all citizens?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

A - so, should the same level of care be provided to all citizens?

Is any American more worthy of care than another?