Canadians don’t understand Ted Cruz’s health-care

[odooley6985]

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...te-lower-costs

"Roger Martin, another Toronto native and avowed capitalist, spent years as a senior partner at the consulting firm Monitor before becoming dean of the Rotman School of Management at the University of Toronto, where he recently completed a 15-year stint. He advises U.S. corporate icons like Proctor & Gamble and Steelcase. He lived in the United States for years and has experienced both systems first hand.

Martin told me that Canada’s lower spending, better outcomes and universal coverage make it superior by definition. Plus, it’s “incredibly hassle-free.” In the United States every time he took his kids in for an earache his wife spent hours fighting with the health plan or filling out reams of paperwork. In Canada, he says, “the entire administrative cost is pulling your card out of your pocket, giving it to them and putting it back.”

[odooley6985]

"There’s more. Canadian divisions of multinational firms love Canada’s system because when they bid on projects they have no health costs to load in. Also, there’s no crazy “job lock” as with the employer-based system in the United States — where people with (say) a sick child cling to their job for fear of being pronounced uninsurable. His peers, he says, view the U.S. debate as “ideological and not based on economics.”"

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by odooley6985

"There’s more. Canadian divisions of multinational firms love Canada’s system because when they bid on projects they have no health costs to load in. Also, there’s no crazy “job lock” as with the employer-based system in the United States — where people with (say) a sick child cling to their job for fear of being pronounced uninsurable. His peers, he says, view the U.S. debate as “ideological and not based on economics.”"

That's why Canadians, including government officials, come here for their serious healthcare needs, because the waiting lists to see specialists in Canada have backlogs from 6 months to two years.

Secondly, Canada has a fraction of our population. You can't have a one size fits system for 300 million people.

Finally, the Federal government has tied the States' hands from trying programs that would save money.

[n david]

We have "snow birds" that come down from Canada and flood the Dr's offices for their care. It's annoying. Every one I've asked said the wait for any specialized care has a long wait, so it's easier to plan follow ups when they come here every 6mo.

[odooley6985]

Originally Posted by Originalist

That's why Canadians, including government officials, come here for their serious healthcare needs, because the waiting lists to see specialists in Canada have backlogs from 6 months to two years.

Secondly, Canada has a fraction of our population. You can't have a one size fits system for 300 million people.

Finally, the Federal government has tied the States' hands from trying programs that would save money.

http://www.aarp.org/politics-society...alth-care.html

[odooley6985]

Originally Posted by n david

We have "snow birds" that come down from Canada and flood the Dr's offices for their care. It's annoying. Every one I've asked said the wait for any specialized care has a long wait, so it's easier to plan follow ups when they come here every 6mo.

When you say the bolded how many do you talk to and how?

It jus shocks me that everyone is complaining about Obamacare and the possibility of a single payer and is ok with an insurance middle man that is eventually going to jack up healthcare costs to 20% of GDP in 7 years. We need to get rid of the insurance company middle man. Its make things cost more and makes things more difficult.

Like I said, how many employers would be happy if they didn't have to bear the burden of insurance benefits? How much more hiring could be done?

[odooley6985]

http://www.yourdoctorsorders.com/201...th-care-myths/

Canadians do come to the US for health care – but let us compare apples to apples here. If a province does not have the specific health care service, the province pays for the person to come to the US and get that service. And in rural provinces, the population is often too small to support medical specialists. Compare that to the rural United States, if there is not a specialist in a small town a patient is (and there are not in most of the rural states) referred to the major cities for specialty health care. Here is the difference- if they are referred from the United States there is no payment involved – just directions on where to go. If the Canadian government refers you for specialized health care it comes with the assurance that the health care is paid for

[odooley6985]

US:
Life Expectancy (Male) 74.8
Life Expectancy (Female) 80.1
Infant Mortality/1000 live births 6.8
Obesity Rate (Male) 31.1
Obesity Rate (Female) 32.2
HC spending as % of GDP (2005) 16.0%

Canada:
Life Expectancy (Male) 77.4
Life Expectancy (Female) 82.4
Infant Mortality/1000 live births 5.3
Obesity Rate (Male) 17.0
Obesity Rate (Female) 19.0
HC spending as % of GDP (2005) 10.4%

Yup Canada's healthcare stinks

[odooley6985]

http://eideard.com/2009/06/27/why-do...n-health-care/

Myth: Canada’s government decides who gets health care and when they get it. While HMOs and other private medical insurers in the U.S. do indeed make such decisions, the only people in Canada to do so are physicians. In Canada, the government has absolutely no say in who gets care or how they get it. Medical decisions are left entirely up to doctors, as they should be.

I could go on and on. You get the point. Get with the Canadians and see what they do.

But lets all keep pretending that our healthcare is the best in the world.

[odooley6985]

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news...re-system.html

Seems they like their system in Canada.

By an overwhelming margin, Canadians prefer the Canadian health care system to the American one. Overall, 82% said they preferred the Canadian system, fully ten times the number who said the American system is superior (8%)....from a Harris-Decima poll (.pdf), July 2009. .