The Doctrine of The Incarnation

[BeenThinkin]

I have searched the Archives and have not been able to find a thread that covered the subject of The Incarnation exactly. Did I overlook something?

What do you consider the concrete, positive, in detail doctrine of the Incarnation.

BeenThinkin

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

I have searched the Archives and have not been able to find a thread that covered the subject of The Incarnation exactly. Did I overlook something?

What do you consider the concrete, positive, in detail doctrine of the Incarnation.

BeenThinkin

I think John 1:14 states the doctrine of the incarnation quite elegantly. "And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us..."

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I think John 1:14 states the doctrine of the incarnation quite elegantly. "And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us..."

In what form was "The Word" before it was made flesh?

BT

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

In what form was "The Word" before it was made flesh?

BT

I don't think the bible really says...

[Cindy]

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by Cindy

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

That doesn't tell us what form the Word was before being made flesh. The Word is what created the world wasn't it?

Gen 1:3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Gen 1:6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Gen 1:9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

At some point in time God said He would have a son, slain before the foundation of the world. That was His Word, (what He said...His Word) and in John chapter 1 His Word, (what He said before the world was formed) became flesh, just as He said the word....., Let there be light and there was light.

BT

[Sam]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

In what form was "The Word" before it was made flesh?

BT

The Word was known as the Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament.
God made Himself visible and local as the Word, or Memra, or Logos in places like
Genesis 15:1
Genesis 28:13; 32:24-30; 48:15-16; Hosea 12:4-5
Exodus 3:2-14
Exodus 24:9-11
Joshua 5:13-15
Judges 13:1-23
Isaiah 6:1-5
Daniel 3:25

John 1:1-14 and 1 John 1:1-4; 5:6-7
The Apostle says that God was the Word, the Word was handled, seen, etc. then came in flesh. In 1 John 5:6-7 he says that the Word came by water (born as a human) and by blood (died as a human) and declared to be the Son of God (more than just human) by the Spirit (resurrection from the dead, ref. Romans 1:3-4).

In the Old Testament,
1.God existed as an invisible Spirit separate and above from humanity (Father)
2. also as the Word (God localized and among people),
and
3. the Spirit of the Lord (God within, upon, and through humanity).
In the New Testament He exists as
1. an invisible Spirit separate and above from humanity (Father)
2. also as the Word/Son (God localized and among people),
and
3. the Spirit of the Lord (God within, upon, and through humanity).

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by Sam

The Word was known as the Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament.
God made Himself visible and local as the Word, or Memra, or Logos in places like
Genesis 15:1

Genesis 15

After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. Gen 15:1

"You make my point. In a vision Abram heard God's Word.... doesn't say he saw God, just heard His word.... word of The Lord, saying."

Genesis 28:13; 32:24-30; 48:15-16; Hosea 12:4-5

“And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;” Genesis 28:13, KJV.

Again it was God's spoken Word.... not a person, a body or a spirit, just His spoken Word. Of course God is a spirit and is everywhere and made this reference that He was above the ladder.


This reference as such, could not have been the Almighty, Eternal God, for God is not a man... but a Spirit.

“24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob’s thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” Genesis 32:24-30, KJV.

I'll stop here tonight and not try to post a response to every scripture you posted..

I simply believe what God said, His spoken word, the Logos was made flesh and dwelt among. In the OT there were numerous times He spoke of His Son. I see it like this, "Let there be a Son, My Son, a virgin born Son, and there was a Son." just like He said, "Let there be light and there was light."

Thanks Sam for your response. Don't know for sure the extent of what you're saying but I do appreciate your time.

Exodus 3:2-14
Exodus 24:9-11
Joshua 5:13-15
Judges 13:1-23
Isaiah 6:1-5
Daniel 3:25

John 1:1-14 and 1 John 1:1-4; 5:6-7
The Apostle says that God was the Word, the Word was handled, seen, etc. then came in flesh. In 1 John 5:6-7 he says that the Word came by water (born as a human) and by blood (died as a human) and declared to be the Son of God (more than just human) by the Spirit (resurrection from the dead, ref. Romans 1:3-4).

In the Old Testament,
1.God existed as an invisible Spirit separate and above from humanity (Father)
2. also as the Word (God localized and among people),
and
3. the Spirit of the Lord (God within, upon, and through humanity).
In the New Testament He exists as
1. an invisible Spirit separate and above from humanity (Father)
2. also as the Word/Son (God localized and among people),
and
3. the Spirit of the Lord (God within, upon, and through humanity).

Hope you can read this. I'm learning how to navigate through these posts. Probably haven't got it all right.

BeenThinkin

[rgcraig]

Been Thinkin'

If you look at the bottom of this thread - there are a few more threads with the word incarnation in them.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

That doesn't tell us what form the Word was before being made flesh. The Word is what created the world wasn't it?

Gen 1:3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Gen 1:6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Gen 1:9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

At some point in time God said He would have a son, slain before the foundation of the world. That was His Word, (what He said...His Word) and in John chapter 1 His Word, (what He said before the world was formed) became flesh, just as He said the word....., Let there be light and there was light.

BT

I don't think it had a form, it was a spirit.