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03-13-2009, 07:18 PM
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obedience/work
Is obediance to the word of God considered "works"?
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03-13-2009, 07:28 PM
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Re: obediance/work
I will have to think about this.
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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03-13-2009, 07:45 PM
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Re: obediance/work
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Originally Posted by Arphaxad
Is obediance to the word of God considered "works"?
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When we work out our own salvation with fear and trembling.. it would certainly include obediance to His Word.
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03-13-2009, 09:17 PM
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Re: obediance/work
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Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge
When we work out our own salvation with fear and trembling.. it would certainly include obediance to His Word.
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I guess its settled... Faith without works is dead... without works we have dead faith... so if we are saved we will have works.
No works = unsaved
Works = saved.
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03-13-2009, 09:23 PM
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Re: obediance/work
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Originally Posted by Arphaxad
Is obediance to the word of God considered "works"?
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Obedience to the word can be considered a work BUT the way Paul uses the word it was in connection to seeking to be justified by the works of the Law of Moses
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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03-13-2009, 09:44 PM
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Re: obediance/work
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Obedience to the word can be considered a work BUT the way Paul uses the word it was in connection to seeking to be justified by the works of the Law of Moses
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I agree. Definitions of words mean everything.
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03-14-2009, 12:24 AM
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Re: obediance/work
We will be judged by our works.
We are ordained to DO good works.
8: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10: For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Eph. 2:8-10
I agree with the other brothers. When Paul seems to be speaking against works it is usually in the context of the Old Covenant.
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03-14-2009, 09:40 AM
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Re: obedience/work
I do not think it is a work to obey the Word.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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03-14-2009, 11:49 PM
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Genesis 11:10
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Re: obedience/work
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Originally Posted by Cindy
I do not think it is a work to obey the Word.
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I agree with you.
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03-15-2009, 07:09 AM
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Re: obediance/work
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
We will be judged by our works.
We are ordained to DO good works.
8: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10: For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Eph. 2:8-10
I agree with the other brothers. When Paul seems to be speaking against works it is usually in the context of the Old Covenant. |
Thanks for being the first to use the bible.
31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
You don't have the Holy Ghost given without obedience.
Over the years I have seen an exhaustive trend for people to generously classify commands as works. Then they condem works as acts of trying to earn salvation. Then they toss the works away entirely.
I suspect the apostles would not so called if they sat down and did nothing.
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