Born at faith?

[Adino]

Simple cause and effect.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

yes you must have the Spirit already, but that does not make the gifts a different OPERATION of the same spirit

Right, I understood andio as saying the opposite, as if manifestation and infilling could be done seperatly, I may be wrong , I will go back and reread his post.

You are making a lot of assertions but you have not shown scripturally where that is true. If they were FILLED then the Spirit was IN them. But where does it say the spirit did not reside, lived or stayed with anyone?

Off hand I can't, yet at the same time where else does it describe the filling of the Holy Ghost the way it does in 2 chorinthians 6:16 ?
In as much as we can disagree due to evidence being there we can also disagree from the lack thereof. The gifts of the spirit were manifested in the OT mostly in prophecy, yet the filling of the Holy Ghost was never described as God living, dwelling or walking in us. Our bodies were never described as a temple that God dwelled in. Not until Jesus was glorified.

If it were no different from the OT then what would have been so special about the coming of the Comforter if it had been in man since the beginning? How many times does it say the Holy Ghost fell on or filled Moses? I beleive several different occasions, why would he have to filled again if it lived or dwelled in him? In the NT when it speaks of the saints after the day of Pentecost is always says something to the nature of " Paul , having the Holy Ghost" ,,, it doesn't ever say any of the original "day of Pentecost" saints were ever "filled with the HG" after that day. Yet in the OT it repeats a filling of the Spirit on the same prophet several times through out his/her life.

You see why I'm saying what I am. It's the way the scripture speaks of the Holy Ghost from one to the other.

God Bless,

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Adino

Simple cause and effect.

Adino when you respond with short one liners like this and not quote someone, it confuses me as to who you are responding to and what point you are trying to make. So with here I'm just not sure the point in order to respond, or whether it was to me to begin with.

God bless

[Adino]

Sorry, it was a quick addendum to my post immediately preceding it.

[Praxeas]

lol :-)

[Adino]

Do you believe a man is born of the Spirit the moment his heart converts to faith?

I see of 24 voters we have about 54% YES and 46% NO.

This is very interesting.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Adino

In answer to the "Possessed at Conversion?" poll:

Do you believe a man has eternal life the moment his heart converts to faith?

Of 21 voters we saw about 57% YES and about 43% NO

I have a follow up question:

Do you believe a man is born of the Spirit the moment his heart converts to faith?

You left out again in being born.

For we are all born with a measure of faith.

He that believes and is Baptized shall be saved.

Except a man is born again of the water and of the Spirit he can not enter in.

The question I ask: Is a man saved simply by believing Jesus is the Christ?

It seems there is a process of born again and being saved.

Faith comes by hearing, hearing comes from the word God.

Belief in the word that we are sinners and Jesus died and rose again to save us from sins and hell.

Repenting from being a sinner asking God to save us and forgive us of sins.

Getting Baptized in Jesus name for the remission of our sins. {Re-birth of water}.

In-filling of the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues. {Re-birth of the Spirit}.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Adino

Curious, do many of you deny he that believes is passed from death unto life? (John 5:24)

Is the man awakened to faith still spiritually dead? (Night of the living spiritually dead?)

Can a man say Jesus is Lord without having been enabled by the Spirit? (1Cor 12:3)

What are trying to say?

Do believe a man is born again of the Spirit, with out receiving the Baptism of the Holy Ghost?

Do you believe a man is Born again of the water, with out immersion in water into the name of Jesus?

Do you believe the salvation is completed by only believing in Jesus?

[Adino]

Hello, Cooper. Nice to meet you.

You left out again in being born.

This would make the question read: Do you believe a man is born again of the Spirit the moment his heart converts to faith?

One could mistakenly infer two births of the Spirit if the question was asked this way. I like the original version because the spirit of man is born of the Spirit of God (John 3:6) but once.

For we are all born with a measure of faith.

We are all given a measure, i.e., a standard of faith and that standard is Christ. I believe the "measure" given does not speak of quantity but quality. I think it is a mistake to think each man is given his own personal "little bit of faith" to direct where he will. Biblical faith simply does not exist until the object of dependence is Christ.

He that believes and is Baptized shall be saved.

Except a man is born again of the water and of the Spirit he can not enter in.

There you go putting that word "again" in where it doesn't belong...... again

The question I ask: Is a man saved simply by believing Jesus is the Christ?

I believe a man is saved when he has faith in Christ.

It seems there is a process of born again and being saved.

Faith comes by hearing, hearing comes from the word God.

Belief in the word that we are sinners and Jesus died and rose again to save us from sins and hell.

Repenting from being a sinner asking God to save us and forgive us of sins.

Getting Baptized in Jesus name for the remission of our sins. {Re-birth of water}.

In-filling of the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues. {Re-birth of the Spirit}.

I believe a man is saved when he has faith in Christ.

God bless, Bro.

[Adino]

Do believe a man is born again of the Spirit, with out receiving the Baptism of the Holy Ghost?

No. Spirit baptism takes place at faith.

Do you believe a man is Born again of the water, with out immersion in water into the name of Jesus?

If you're referring to John 3:5 (and I'm quite certain you are) then.... yes.

Do you believe the salvation is completed by only believing in Jesus?

Still waiting for the body to rise, but the soul is ready at the moment faith in Christ exists.