How Many of HIS Creation will He Lose to "HELL"?

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Mar 3:29

"But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath NEVER forgiveness, but is in DANGER of ETERNAL DAMNATION."

CJ, please re examine your above quote and compare it with Mark 3:29.

You will plainly see that Jesus says that ANYONE (meaning everyone and anyone) who BLASPHEME the Holy Ghost will NEVER HAVE FORGIVNESS and therefore will come under the penalty of ETERNAL DAMNATION.

If I do not understand your quote above please take the time to further explain your thoughts to me.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

eternal is an english word, not what is intended by the original greek, aionios means age-long damnation not eternal damnation.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

The 2 key words here are "Everlasting" and "Eternal" They both are the same greek word and are used to describe both the timeframe of the final state of the saint and sinner alike:

aionios (ī-ō'-nē-os)


1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be

2) without beginning

3) without end, never to cease, everlasting

This is very simple, either the sinners shall go into punishment that "Everlasting" (without end), or the saints "eternal" life shall have an ending place.

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

A more accurate translation of aionios is "age-long". Hell is everlasting in that it is continuous suffering not eternal suffering. Rev. 20:14 clearly states that death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. v10 says the lake of fire is forever and ever. Nowhere can you find where hell is eternal, only age-long.

Then you must also believe that those that resurrect and are changed to immortality will only life for only "Age-long", as the same word (aionios) to describe the timeframe that the righteous will live on in, and the timeframe that the sinners will be punished in.

I don't believe that the bible can be any clearer than this. The righteous will live forever (Eternal [aionios] life), and the unrighteous shall be punished forever (everlasting [aionios] punishment). If the punishment is not thoughout all eternity for the sinner, then the life is not either for the saint.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

A more accurate translation of aionios is "age-long". Hell is everlasting in that it is continuous suffering not eternal suffering. Rev. 20:14 clearly states that death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. v10 says the lake of fire is forever and ever. Nowhere can you find where hell is eternal, only age-long.

Would you care to show proof as to where you are getting this "more accurate" translation? I have checked Strongs, and Thayers Greek, and they both confirm the definition I posted. Aionios does not mean "age-long" in any reference or Greek dictionary I have found.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Mar 3:29

"But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath NEVER forgiveness, but is in DANGER of ETERNAL DAMNATION."

CJ, please re examine your above quote and compare it with Mark 3:29.

You will plainly see that Jesus says that ANYONE (meaning everyone and anyone) who BLASPHEME the Holy Ghost will NEVER HAVE FORGIVNESS and therefore will come under the penalty of ETERNAL DAMNATION.

If I do not understand your quote above please take the time to further explain your thoughts to me.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Another scripture that you have to literally close your eye's to in order to believe in Universal Reconciliation.

That word "ETERNAL" used in this verse is also aionios, and means very plainly that the damnation (separation or judgment) is final and forever, without recourse, it will not change once the sentence is given.

This is very plainly stating that anyone that blasphemes the Holy Ghost will not pass go, and will not collect $200. They are judged guilty with no chance of an appeal.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Aionios is pretty vague of a word, but one of its description is "age-long" and also an unknown length of time. The same thing could be said for the Hebrew word "Yod" which means "day" it also could be translated as a unknown amount of time as found in the first chapters of Genesis. When we see the word used in a sentence with "morning" to "evening" we understand that the "yod" in that sentence has a beginning and an ending.

When we look at aionios and the word ETERNAL is placed with it we know they the "age" that is being spoken of will be for an UNKNOWN amount of time.


In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Scott Hutchinson]

Well if someone does not believe In Jesus Christ ,they will perish ,maybe I'm just a ignorant country boy but how does perish and ultimate reconcilation mean the same thing ?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

*sniff sniff* Hey crak, now what? LOL!

Hey, Bro. East there are about four different views of the end of man on this one thread. I hold fast to the future hope of the redemption of the whole creation. God has the power, the time and the motive to restore all and I believe He will. I further believe this redemption is only possible thru the blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

YOU are NOT Jesus. Jesus is NOT having a debate with me NOR are you quoting Jesus. Jesus is the WORD of God. When HE spoke God spoke. As I said, let the word of God be true and every man a liar. Jesus did not resort to appeal to emotions. He resorted to the TRUTH the WORD OF GOD. My My My......

BTW I use this reasoning any time I see it happening and I see it happening quite often, in your case though it seems to be the backbone of your position

I expected that that post would get you going, and you did not disappoint. No, I am not Jesus, but Jesus certainly used emotive arguments, and you as usual missed the whole point.

BTW, I have quoted St. Paul, the following is part of a previous post that supports my position, but you ignored it:

Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men." "For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many (the same many) will be made righteous."

"The law was added so that trepass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

These scriptures clearly state that, just as the one act of disobedience cursed all men, likewise the one act of Christ has (in the very same way brought justification to the same all men). Paul is clearly declaring the universal reconciliation of all men.

Sin was literally imposed on the human race, so that the full purpose of God's redemption can be experienced and man be completely converted.

Romans 11:32 For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

If this presentation does not cause you to consider the greater hope, then I suppose further discussion is futile. I still consider you a brother in Christ, in spite of our separate views.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Hey, Bro. East there are about four different views of the end of man on this one thread. I hold fast to the future hope of the redemption of the whole creation. God has the power, the time and the motive to restore all and I believe He will. I further believe this redemption is only possible thru the blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

No harm intended, however, since none of us has yet experienced afterlife I guess we'll find out one day. It is quite interesting how you have your interpretation or understanding of eternity. I still wouldn't want to take the chance on finding out that you may or may not spend eternity in a place of eternal torment.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

No harm intended, however, since none of us has yet experienced afterlife I guess we'll find out one day. It is quite interesting how you have your interpretation or understanding of eternity. I still wouldn't want to take the chance on finding out that you may or may not spend eternity in a place of eternal torment.

Since, I have entered the narrow gate I have nothing to fear in the life to come, "On Christ the Solid Rock I Stand". Thanks for your responses to my posts I enjoy interacting with those who are willing to consider or question, that keeps it interesting. I respect your position and I am not so arrogant to think that I could not be wrong. But I don't believe I am!