Should we teach others to rebel against standards?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I really don't think rebellion is the answer...if I did not agree I would go look for another church...Why be a troublemaker?

This Sister is all I'm saying, exactly what you said. That's all I meant in all this. Rebellion is never the way.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I really don't think rebellion is the answer...if I did not agree I would go look for another church...Why be a troublemaker?

This has been asked over and over. The MWBs (men with beards) seem to believe this is a hill to die upon. They want nothing less than for David Bernard, Kenneth Carpenter or Larry Booker (UPCI, ALJC, WPF) to publicly sob and beg forgiveness and mercy from the MWBs.

Their beards are the most important "doctrine" to them.

[Amanah]

the MWBs don't even attend church lol. And, if the beard thing was fixed to their liking, there is probably a list of lots of other things, where would it end?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Apostolic Church members!

Flee from that man Jesus! We dont care what anyone preaches! You cant run with men like that! We know by the "facial hair"...full beard on his face we DONT WANT HIM hanging around with our people!

And those 12 apostles? Jewish men called by Christ to be with him. Beware! Just because your Pastor tells you they are OK we know that Jewish men WORE BEARDS! Flee from them to save your souls from Hell!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Bro, if I had a dollar for every joker who ever said the above I'd be rich. Bro, all you guys say the same thing but have totally different results. But, that never hinders you. You keep saying it thinking someone is going to believe you. Seriously, anyone who can't figure out whether to drink Jack Daniels,eat Corn Flakes in the nude, or curse occasionally, can't be serious about separation unto God.

So, what. That doesn't mean anything to anyone. That's YOUR experience, not mine. Some of you guys talk about Apostolic Churches like you had Pinhead as a pastor and the church was called First Church of Hellraiser 4.
Some stories are so gothically morbid it is more shocking that the teller isn't embarrassed.

Now you are the man in the Iron Mask?

Sadly misery does love company. Yet, I really don't think that is entirely the case in those situations. It is more like wound licking. Where no one moves up and over their past, but wades around in the mire. Up to their necks in ecclesiastical poison. Always waiting for an opportunity to bleed all over the place, while pointing their finger at everyone or anything which reminds them of their past. The past in whatever religion which didn't fulfil their needs. It becomes a whipping boy, which is marched out in front of the other disgruntles and beaten when they all are feeling bad about their past.

Disenfranchised?

Sounds like what they started in the flesh is ending up in the flesh.

No relationship with Jesus Christ to begin with, will just leave your only company to be your regret.

That sounds confusing.

So, does the devil. Only difference is, that he trembles.

Bro, I was raised around people who debated the Bible away. Debated the Catholic Church to have lost their pope in 1953. Bro, you can take that Bible and make it go with whatever agenda you deem to be flowing with at the time. We may not believe you, but you won't care. You will believe you, and isn't that what really matters to you? Standards? I have no problems with standards of dress, that is because "I" understand them. The people I attend church with, understand them. But, guess what, you don't go to church here, and that is totally fine. You go do whatever you want, you can believe what ever you want to believe. Just don't push your trip on me, and expect me to submit, and I won't push my trip on you expecting you to submit.

This means what? There is a plethora of people who believe in 50 million different views of one Bible doing the same thing? Bro, it just comes down to drama. It appeals to emotions, and tugs at the emotional. Bro, I can sit here and cry you a river, and you know what? In a 100 years it still won't get the job done. Hey, you think walking around naked is cool, it must be rough doing the yard work like that, but as long as you don't live near me. Do as you very well please.

Bro, and it shows.

Here we go again with the stories of Pastor Pinhead and the First Church of Hellraiser 3. It is like you are hitting yourself with a flailing whip as you post these things? I mean, get over it already, these are your personal experiences in situations which we don't know the whole story. So we just get your slanted skewed view. Did the preacher burn you with lit cigarettes?
Seriously? Bro, we don't have the full story of your shocking ecclesiastical past.

No, Atheists smile when people say they had an awful time in their particular religion, and still remain in that religion.

Believe me, I've seen it.

Is it me, or did you completely dodge the subject with an expansive and meaningless post riddled with nothing but personal attacks, personal judgments, and hyperbole? You sound like a far bigger crybaby than me, I'm only appealing to Scripture among a people who "claim" they hold to the Bible.

I want Bible on this standard that alienates men with beards, or you have no right to claim that you hold to strictly to Scripture. You'll be just another dude in a suit propping up the carnal traditions of men that appeal to nothing but institutional pride and arrogance.

Stand and deliver. Or take your toys and go home.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Amanah

the MWBs don't even attend church lol. And, if the beard thing was fixed to their liking, there is probably a list of lots of other things, where would it end?

Define "church", biblically.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Define "church", biblically.

as in Acts 9:31, assemblies

Acts 9:31

Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

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Aquila, if every male church member grew a beard to your liking, what else would you be disgruntled about?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Amanah

the MWBs don't even attend church lol. And, if the beard thing was fixed to their liking, there is probably a list of lots of other things, where would it end?

Exactly. Some folk just want to nit pick at every little thing. If it isn't beards, it's eschatology. Or tithing. Or hair covering vs uncut. Or something else.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Is it me, or did you completely dodge the subject with an expansive and meaningless post riddled with nothing but personal attacks, personal judgments, and hyperbole? You sound like a far bigger crybaby than me, I'm only appealing to Scripture among a people who "claim" they hold to the Bible.

I want Bible on this standard that alienates men with beards, or you have no right to claim that you hold to strictly to Scripture. You'll be just another dude in a suit propping up the carnal traditions of men that appeal to nothing but institutional pride and arrogance.

Stand and deliver. Or take your toys and go home.

No, you need to find another medium to deal with your religious post traumatic stress disorder. Because this doesn't seem to be working out for you. You are a big baby. You and Mike want to grow beards knock yourselves out. Just stop whining about it.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by n david

This has been asked over and over. The MWBs (men with beards) seem to believe this is a hill to die upon. They want nothing less than for David Bernard, Kenneth Carpenter or Larry Booker (UPCI, ALJC, WPF) to publicly sob and beg forgiveness and mercy from the MWBs.

Their beards are the most important "doctrine" to them.

It does seem that way.