Genesis Flood Local Or Global ?

[commonsense]

Global............it's a faith concept.

We may not know the how, but it's a matter of accepting scripture.

Remember, God can do anything!

[n david]

Proof of the Flood - "I set My bow [rainbow] in the cloud, and it shall be a token or sign of a covenant or solemn pledge between Me and the earth." - Genesis 9:13

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Aquila

How long did Ballard's flood last?

uh... it's called the Black Sea. we already discussed that aspect of it.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by n david

Proof of the Flood - "I set My bow [rainbow] in the cloud, and it shall be a token or sign of a covenant or solemn pledge between Me and the earth." - Genesis 9:13

"Proof" for the literal existence of the "good Samaritan" - "Go, and do thou likewise..." Luke 10:37. Except we know that was a parable.

"Proof" that Jesus was a woman: "Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets..." Proverbs 1:20 compared with 1 Corinthians 1:30.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by commonsense

Global............it's a faith concept.

We may not know the how, but it's a matter of accepting scripture.

Remember, God can do anything!

But the question isn't "What can God do...?" It's "What has really happened?"

We have to be able to give cogent and reasonable answers for the hope and the faith that we have. Telling people to just close their eyes and "imagine the possibilities" doesn't really explain what happen to the millions of extinct species of flora and fauna and why the Bible appears to be silent about so much of the natural history of the earth.

[n david]

Originally Posted by pelathais

"Proof" for the literal existence of the "good Samaritan" - "Go, and do thou likewise..." Luke 10:37. Except we know that was a parable.

"Proof" that Jesus was a woman: "Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets..." Proverbs 1:20 compared with 1 Corinthians 1:30.

Good Samaritan - "Go and do thou likewise" is not proof for the literal existence of that parable. There was a question posed to Jesus in which He used the parable to answer the question, and completed it with the statement, "Go and do thou likewise."

Proof Jesus was a woman? - any Sunday School kid can tell between what's being written as figurative and what's written as literal.

These both have no similarity to the Genesis Flood.

Final answer ... to refute this is to refute the second coming.

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Pretty hard to deny words in red.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by n david

Good Samaritan - "Go and do thou likewise" is not proof for the literal existence of that parable. There was a question posed to Jesus in which He used the parable to answer the question, and completed it with the statement, "Go and do thou likewise."

Proof Jesus was a woman? - any Sunday School kid can tell between what's being written as figurative and what's written as literal.

These both have no similarity to the Genesis Flood.

Final answer ... to refute this is to refute the second coming.

No, to disagree with me is to deny the existence of God Himself and all the holy angels. To disagree with me is to say that you don't have a belly button.

"Final answer" ... You just don't have any proof, do you? All certainty and no proof whatsoever. And yet you insist that your imagination is a required belief, as required as "the Second Coming."

Originally Posted by n david

Pretty hard to deny words in red.

Luke 16:22 - How, and for what possible reason - did the angels carry the deceased into the inner parts of Abraham's dead torso? Or is this one of those times when you arbitrarily choose to plead for a metaphorical reading. These words are in red, by the way.

If I can't believe you what you say about the rocks under my shoes, why should anyone believe what you have to say about the metaphorical Rock to which we seek to anchor our souls?

Truth is real. Make believe is not.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by pelathais

But the question isn't "What can God do...?" It's "What has really happened?"

We have to be able to give cogent and reasonable answers for the hope and the faith that we have. Telling people to just close their eyes and "imagine the possibilities" doesn't really explain what happen to the millions of extinct species of flora and fauna and why the Bible appears to be silent about so much of the natural history of the earth.

True. But we also run the risk of neglecting the biblical narrative and it’s details to facilitate scientific findings, which do change as additional data is collected. Science is a rather shakey foundation upon which to base one's salvation.

I can see the logic behind the local flood theory and I can grasp the concept of its theological and apologetic appeal. But when discussing the flood issues of creation arise since most of modern Creationism is built upon theories regarding the flood and its geological effects. We’ve touched on the creation account in Genesis and my personal belief that our billions of years old universe might have indeed been created in six literal days by God’s divine fiat. I'm curious about Adam & Eve. What are your views regarding Adam & Eve? Are we to interpret the story of Adam & Eve literally or is this a case of “anointed myth” or parable? Did Adam evolve? Did God create Adam supernaturally? What’s your take?

[n david]

Originally Posted by pelathais

No, to disagree with me is to deny the existence of God Himself and all the holy angels. To disagree with me is to say that you don't have a belly button.

"Final answer" ... You just don't have any proof, do you? All certainty and no proof whatsoever. And yet you insist that your imagination is a required belief, as required as "the Second Coming."

There is proof ... you're just blind to it and would rather accept science instead of faith.

Dare I ask ... I dare ... you don't believe in the second coming?

Originally Posted by pelathais

Luke 16:22 - How, and for what possible reason - did the angels carry the deceased into the inner parts of Abraham's dead torso? Or is this one of those times when you arbitrarily choose to plead for a metaphorical reading. These words are in red, by the way.

If I can't believe you what you say about the rocks under my shoes, why should anyone believe what you have to say about the metaphorical Rock to which we seek to anchor our souls?

Truth is real. Make believe is not.

Yes, and those words were another parable spoken by Jesus, not at all similar to the statements Jesus made about the last days and second coming.

I've stated the case and proof enough, you can continue to reason science and submit allegories and parables Jesus gave as a means to try to further your ideas.

You do well enough, but have yet to bring up anything other than parables Jesus taught as a way to refute the absolute statements of Jesus.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by n david

There is proof ... you're just blind to it and would rather accept science instead of faith.

I don't have time to do this right now but saying there is proof and then saying one would rather believe science over faith doesn't make sense.

It isn't a case of science v. faith. It's a question of what the Bible actually says as compared to science. The first task is to interpret Scripture and then interpret what we see in nature and try to line the two up. Since both need interpretation it leaves us hanging a bit.