Clinton Is the Best Choice For the Unborn:

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Barb

Are you SERIOUS?!!

Unfortunately, yes. He is completely serious.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

What would be better?

A prochoice nation with progressive policies that help bring the abortion rate down to 8 out of every 1,000 pregnancies?

A "prolife" nation with conservative policies and austerity measures that only serve to keep the abortion rate as high as 25 to 28 out of every 1,000 pregnancies (or higher)?

One sin is as bad as another. Fornication and adultery will continue on just as rampantly behind all the pro-choice "remedies" for abortion.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jito463

Rare? Nearly 59 million and counting since Roe v Wade is rare?

That's the problem, abortion should be more rare in the United States. Statistics show that America's abortion rate per capita (every 1000 pregnancies) is around 20-23 per every 1000 pregnancies. However, other prochoice nations have significantly lower abortion rates per capita (every 1000 pregnancies ). For example we have Belgium, Germany, the Netherlands and Switzerland where abortions rates are blow 10 per every 1000 pregnancies. The Netherlands can boast of an abortion rate of only 4.

Progressives look at Belgium, Germany, the Netherlands and Switzerland as examples of how a nation can be prochoice and yet abortion be relatively rare. Consider this, the abortion rates in these countries is far lower than they were in the United States prior to Roe. These progressive nations pride themselves in addressing the issues that their citizens face and thereby they encourage a culture of life that causes more women to choose life.

Abortion rates and abortion's legality have little to do with one another. For example, in Latin America abortion is often restricted. However, the estimated abortion rates in these countries is roughly 30 per every 1000 pregnancies.

So, let me ask this....

Would you rather have a nation wherein there are only 4 abortions out of every 1000 pregnancies (Netherlands) or a nation wherein there are 38 or more abortions out of every 1000 pregnancies (Mexico)? Let me tell you, abortion's legality has no bearing. It is more related to progressive policies and access to contraception.

[aegsm76]

In the USA, minorities are specifically targeted to use abortion as birth control.

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http://www.operationrescue.org/about...ns-in-america/

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• Blacks comprise only 13% of the population of America but account for 37% of all abortions.

• Black women are five times more likely to abort than white women.

• 69% of pregnancies among Blacks are unintended, while that number is 54% among Hispanics and 40% of pregnancies among Whites.

• Planned Parenthood, the largest seller of abortions in the United States, has located 80% of its abortion clinics in minority neighborhoods, disproportionally targeting minorities for abortion.

[Amanah]

http://www.abort73.com/abortion/abortion_and_race/

[Martin Luther King, Jr.] once said, “The Negro cannot win as long as he is willing to sacrifice the lives of his children for comfort and safety.” How can the “Dream” survive if we murder the children? Every aborted baby is like a slave in the womb of his or her mother. The mother decides his or her fate.

The majority of Planned Parenthood's abortion clinics are located in communities with minority populations that exceed the city or state averages. Is this a bizarre coincidence, or is it merely an extension of the eugenic principles that seem to have driven Planned Parenthood's founder, Margaret Sanger, a founder who is documented as saying, "We do not want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population."24 This statement, written in a 1939 letter to a colleague, can be taken in one of two ways. Either she didn't want the black community to wrongly assume that her efforts promoting birth control were an attempt to eliminate them, or she didn't want the black community to find out that this is exactly what she had in mind. Planned Parenthood assumes the first; her opponents assume the latter. Based on the greater context of her writings, the truth likely lies in between. She probably didn't have in mind the elimination of all blacks, but it is quite reasonable to infer that she did want to keep them in submission and in line.

Whatever the case may be, the bottom line is this. Margaret Sanger's vision of social purification was rooted in birth control and sterilization. Compared with abortion, these were minor threats to minority communities. Planned Parenthood's contemporary vision of social purification is much more menacing. No longer is the organization driven by pregnancy prevention, it is now driven by pregnancy elimination. We can debate the racial intent of Planned Parenthood past and present, but we cannot debate the results. Abortion is by no means an equal opportunity killer.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

In the USA, minorities are specifically targeted to use abortion as birth control.

link
http://www.operationrescue.org/about...ns-in-america/

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• Blacks comprise only 13% of the population of America but account for 37% of all abortions.

• Black women are five times more likely to abort than white women.

• 69% of pregnancies among Blacks are unintended, while that number is 54% among Hispanics and 40% of pregnancies among Whites.

• Planned Parenthood, the largest seller of abortions in the United States, has located 80% of its abortion clinics in minority neighborhoods, disproportionally targeting minorities for abortion.

I think there is another way of looking at it.

If memory serves me correctly, 2 out of 3 women who procure abortion live at or below the poverty level. I'd wager that around 2/3rds of those at or below poverty level are minorities. That means that more minority women most likely do not have adequate health insurance and are more likely not to have access to prescription birth control. Not having health insurance means that these women can't afford necessary prenatal care. On top of not having birth control or not being able to afford prenatal care, most would probably see having a child to be a financial hardship. They also appear to be sexually active sooner and therefore become pregnant at younger ages.

Also, since Planned Parenthood is primarily focused on providing health screening services to those who would otherwise not be able to afford it, it stands to reason that they'd be mostly located in lower income neighborhoods. And seeing that minorities are disproportionately at or below poverty level, these neighborhoods are most likely more times than not more populated by minorities.

I don't think that minorities are being targeted, I think they are just more likely to face circumstances that make the choice to abort more likely. And Planned Parenthood's present mission to help the underprivileged makes it more likely that their clinics be located in poorer neighborhoods, neighborhoods that are statistically more likely to be populated by minorities.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Amanah

http://www.abort73.com/abortion/abortion_and_race/

[Martin Luther King, Jr.] once said, “The Negro cannot win as long as he is willing to sacrifice the lives of his children for comfort and safety.” How can the “Dream” survive if we murder the children? Every aborted baby is like a slave in the womb of his or her mother. The mother decides his or her fate.

Powerful and thought provoking.

The majority of Planned Parenthood's abortion clinics are located in communities with minority populations that exceed the city or state averages. Is this a bizarre coincidence, or is it merely an extension of the eugenic principles that seem to have driven Planned Parenthood's founder, Margaret Sanger, a founder who is documented as saying, "We do not want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population."24 This statement, written in a 1939 letter to a colleague, can be taken in one of two ways. Either she didn't want the black community to wrongly assume that her efforts promoting birth control were an attempt to eliminate them, or she didn't want the black community to find out that this is exactly what she had in mind. Planned Parenthood assumes the first; her opponents assume the latter. Based on the greater context of her writings, the truth likely lies in between. She probably didn't have in mind the elimination of all blacks, but it is quite reasonable to infer that she did want to keep them in submission and in line.

I think that is a balanced conclusion on Sanger.

Whatever the case may be, the bottom line is this. Margaret Sanger's vision of social purification was rooted in birth control and sterilization. Compared with abortion, these were minor threats to minority communities.

I think most would agree if I said that previous generations often had some really off the wall thought processes. I'm a liberal and I certainly wouldn't agree to that vision. Honestly, I'm not sure if I know a liberal who would.

Planned Parenthood's contemporary vision of social purification is much more menacing. No longer is the organization driven by pregnancy prevention, it is now driven by pregnancy elimination. We can debate the racial intent of Planned Parenthood past and present, but we cannot debate the results. Abortion is by no means an equal opportunity killer.

I don't believe that. Abortion rates are currently on the low end. However, health screening services and the provision of contraceptives is rather high. The vast majority of what Planned Parenthood does is help with health screenings and provided condoms to the sexually active who request them.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Aquila

It all boils down to this....

Do you want a nation wherein women's issues are addressed and abortion is safe, legal, and rare? (Hillary)

Or do you want a nation wherein women's issues are essentially ignored and the abortion rate remains high? (Trump)

58 million aborted babies in 43 years, and you call that "rare".

There is absolutely no need whatsoever for late term abortions. Babies can be delivered safely as early as 25 weeks (some even earlier).

Close to 50% of the black population has been wiped out each year due to abortions. Genocide. And Hillary Clinton is all for it.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

58 million aborted babies in 43 years, and you call that "rare".

There is absolutely no need whatsoever for late term abortions. Babies can be delivered safely as early as 25 weeks (some even earlier).

Close to 50% of the black population has been wiped out each year due to abortions. Genocide. And Hillary Clinton is all for it.

Bingo.
If Republicans ran abortion clinics (not possible, I know), the Dems would be calling for an investigation.

[deacon blues]

The willful ignorance behind Aquila's blind loyalty to liberalism and the Dem Party is obvious. His story is inspirational, I admit. I enjoyed reading somewhere here on AFF, maybe this thread his story of how his mother got on welfare to take care of him and keep him from trouble. That's exactly what the safety net should do and should produce. But statistically the war on poverty and the socialism of the liberal movement has been a bust. Put that money in the hands of private, faith-based charities and you'd see much much much more bang for the buck. The Democrat Party is so deeply corrupt and bereft of any redeeming qualities. The Dem Party of Roosevelt and Kennedy is a shell of its former self. I'm disgusted with the GOP too, but it is measurably better in that those that believe in smaller government and more individual freedom reside here.