Wow.....I Found this Shocking and Sad

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by allstate1

I tell you what Tuesday I will share the stats with you!! The 35% is actaully fudging stats show 30 -32%! It seems to me you have some strange idea that all blacks were slaves thats as messed up as dozens if nota few hundred blacks assume that I had money just b/c I am white!! And I will tell you once again at Allsate the best always gets the job!

I'm still looking for an exact number to contradict what you presented here, but your number is laughable. How do you think black people appeared in America, by Scotty's beam-me-up machine?

But I did find this in Wikipedia:

"A small number have immigrated since then from Africa or the Caribbean" ("Then" referring to slavery and "Number" referring to blacks in America).

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by notofworks

When? When it's really over. I think that's where we, as white people, get it really messed up. It's not over. And to be certain, there will always be racism throughout the world. But when we get somewhere close in the U.S. to be equal, then we might be able to say it's over. But right now now it's not even close to being equal.

You insinuate that it was over after the blood was shed...in the 1860's. But in my lifetime, and yours, black people couldn't vote, couldn't get a seat in many restaurants, couldn't drink out of public water fountains...can you even start to imagine how that felt? We still walk in the residue of the institutional racism of the United States government, which has always claimed liberty and justice for all.

And what about now? Research shows it's still significantly more difficult for a black person to get hired than a white person.

I'm just saying, there's STILL a LOT of animosity out there and I think it's flawed for us to pretend it's all over with.

My family doctor, who drives a Mercedes, has been stopped by police over 30 times...not once for speeding....not once for anything, and I'm in California.

It's not over. I wish it were.

This is a very tough call.

I know it's not over, but I can personally say I have never mistreated anyone because of their race, yet I certainly have been mistreated because of my race.

Laws should be colorblind across the board IMHO.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Well first, I am Native American (not full-blooded). Second, yes. I am as vocal for any who are disenfranchised, and what has been done to those who were here first is completely criminal. That being said, it's an entirely different situation.

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I think that is debatable,

Well, as horrific as the treatment of Native Americans has been, they've been given great portions of land. As well, the American government granted $20,000 to each surviving detainee of the Japanese interments.

Those in slavery? Nothing. Zilcho. Nada. They were promised a mule and didn't even get that.

About 40,000 freed slaves were given 400,000 acres in Georgia and South Carolina. But President Andrew Johnson reversed the decision following the assassination of President Lincoln and the land was given back to the previous owners. In 1867 Thaddeus Stevens sponsored a bill to give back the land but the bill was not passed.

So....officially, there has never been any reparations given for the 222,505,049 hours of forced labor between the years 1619 and 1865.

At least the government did something for the Japanese and Native Americans.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

This is a very tough call.

I know it's not over, but I can personally say I have never mistreated anyone because of their race, yet I certainly have been mistreated because of my race.

Laws should be colorblind across the board IMHO.

At the end of the day, I understand that we cannot legislate righteousness. Interestingly, I think I can say nearly the same thing as what you wrote in the second paragraph, although, I think you'd have nearly an impossible time finding anyone who would admit to mistreating someone because of their race. But I'm interested in hearing the mistreatment you feel you've had because of your race.

And what do you think of my family doctor, who drives a Mercedes and has been pulled over more than 30 times, none of them for speeding and has never received a ticket of any kind? And this is in California, where racism is not as prevalent as other parts of the country.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by notofworks

At the end of the day, I understand that we cannot legislate righteousness. Interestingly, I think I can say nearly the same thing as what you wrote in the second paragraph, although, I think you'd have nearly an impossible time finding anyone who would admit to mistreating someone because of their race. But I'm interested in hearing the mistreatment you feel you've had because of your race.

And what do you think of my family doctor, who drives a Mercedes and has been pulled over more than 30 times, none of them for speeding and has never received a ticket of any kind? And this is in California, where racism is not as prevalent as other parts of the country.

The times I have been on the receiving end was verbal - something like

"YOU *^!%$#@$%#%^% white !%!%^$#!" Also similar incidents because of my religion when I was Old Order Mennonite.

Your DOC? I don't know. Perhaps he received preferential treatment after he was pulled over with just cause. I know that can happen too. I know it's law that law enforcement state specifically why they pulled you over.

[Truthseeker]

No one race has a monopoly on racism, just some feel justified about it.

[Truthseeker]

My wife and I clearly experienced housing discrimination and the guy wasn't white.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

The times I have been on the receiving end was verbal - something like

"YOU *^!%$#@$%#%^% white !%!%^$#!" Also similar incidents because of my religion when I was Old Order Mennonite.

Your DOC? I don't know. Perhaps he received preferential treatment after he was pulled over with just cause. I know that can happen too. I know it's law that law enforcement state specifically why they pulled you over.

I'm sorry, I was too ambiguous about my doctor. He's African-American, drives a Mercedes, and is routinely pulled over for various made-up offenses as they run the plates and license to make sure he hasn't stolen the car. That's the point I was trying to make. He says he constantly guilty of a DWB.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by notofworks

So....officially, there has never been any reparations given for the 222,505,049 hours of forced labor between the years 1619 and 1865.

At least the government did something for the Japanese and Native Americans.

This fact has NEVER sat well with me.

However, I realize that reparations now is not plausible.

Sometimes, when I dwell on it and other glaring past injustices, I get a little saddened and angry at the same time. Ultimately, it is my faith in God and that is what allows me to stomach the past without spewing bile everytime I open my mouth.

The story of Emmet Till still sparks a rage in me that I have learned to keep in check.

Bitterness destroys. Faith heals.


I know it's not over now as well, but I got to tell you all that I really believe that MANY, MANY, MANY people make very poor decisions. There are unfortunate consequences to those poor decisions that only GOD can change.


For so many, the inequalities start at birth-- as to what kind of family and environment that a child is born into.

"The cards" usually fall into place for an American based on that-- regardless of race. Sure, there will always be exceptions, but generally speaking I believe I am right.

For some, the deck is stacked against them before they're twelve years old.

Even at kindergarten you can see the differences.

Whose fault is that?

When that 12 yeear old's older sister, who's 17 and was just accepted into college, is accidentally killed in a drive-by shooting that happened in her neighborhood as she was walking home from school, whose fault is it?


When that twelve year old becomes an adult and turns to a life of crime, whose fault is it?



Most of today's YOUNGER white people have little if anything to do with the plight of today's black people that are caught in the perpetual cycle of poverty, violence and death.

Can't blame the white man for everything.

Some people come from terrible environments and become terrible and toxic people.

Some overcome the terrible and that, only by the Grace of God.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I'm sorry, I was too ambiguous about my doctor. He's African-American, drives a Mercedes, and is routinely pulled over for various made-up offenses as they run the plates and license to make sure he hasn't stolen the car. That's the point I was trying to make. He says he constantly guilty of a DWB.

I know all too well about DWB!

It has happened to me, even in Washington, DC-- in the nicer part of Washington, DC at about 7:30pm one summer evening on 2007. That's the one that stands out the most because it was so blatant and the white cop was SO NASTY about it!!!