XUPCer Starting GAY Church in Bakersfield

[IsolatedSaint]

Originally Posted by Weary Pilgrim

That's pure garbage. To imply that being clean shaven leads to homosexuality is ludicrus! If that was the case, most of conservative
Pentecost would have turned Homo which of course is NOT the case.

It's not so much that clean shaven in and of itself leads to homosexuality, but making rules that you can't serve in ministry capacity or be a member in good standing in certain churches unless your clean shaven, now that COULD, maybe, possibly open the door for homosexual, effeminate spirits to attack. That's were the danger lies.

Which pentecost you talking about?.....the men during the Azusa street revivals had beards!!!!

[PraiseHymn]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

A "manifestations of religious demons", huh?

I see you're a newbie here, and have only made a few posts, so hear me out on this.

We have admins who monitor all the threads here. That kind of language is considered highly insulting and offensive, and can quickly get you a stern warning or even banishment around here.

So cool your jets,buddy.

You and I both know you've seen far worse comments than that which you would consider something that could quickly get a stern warning or even banishment. I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. I saw nothing in this post but mere adjectives describing individual posters who have clearly given up hope for reconciliation of individuals that have started gay churches and apparently keep apostolic doctrines all at the same time.

Remember, as long as there is LIFE there is HOPE and of course we know that LIFE is found in the Lord Jesus Christ.

People probably would have condemned Paul, who was one of the greatest Apostles straight to hell prior to his conversion . . . he persecuted Christians to the point it caused physical death to Christians, yet HE was able to turn from his wicked ways....and look....God used him to write the majority of the New Testament.

I say that to say that the poster probably feels there is hope for those who have gone into these erroneous doctrines....

Now, the above comment will be warranted IF and ONLY IF the poster consistently shows a repeated pattern of violating the rules and regulations concerning this forum.

[dizzyde]

sigh...

To the poster who started this thread, once again I am amazed that you continue to call yourself a minister.

Do you realize that this man has family and friends who are having to deal with this, do you not have compassion on their suffering and embarrassment?

Why would you feel the need to throw this out for public consumption. Don't tell me it is because you want to invoke meaningful dialog because you did this in your usual manner; vomit and then leave.

You never try to inspire anything productive. This is not an indictment on those who have responded, some who have commented on this thread have done so in a productive manner.

I'm just disgusted.

[Carpenter]

I looked at one of those awful websites and looked at the photos and one video and it really bothered me because IF the church of the living God is distinct, then why are these folks experiencing the same type of altar calls as I have experienced all my life.

Does it beg the question, is what we do in terms of the sweating and screaming and spiritual euphoria really legitimate?

This really bothers me and unfortunatley I don't have an answer.

It would be better and easier frankly for the judgement of God to fall on these and destroy that which is blasphemous and fake...but then how many apostolic churches would go down the tubes with them?

Man, I hate this...

[Weary Pilgrim]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

How many times do we have to tell you people that we are not omniscient and don't see anything unless YOU use the post reporting tool.

If you have a problem with the Admin team, next time take it in PM with one of them.

I didn't even read this post until I saw someone else reply to your post here.

I stand corrected...we'll do accordingly next time


Thanks Praxeas

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by PraiseHymn

You and I both know you've seen far worse comments than that which you would consider something that could quickly get a stern warning or even banishment. I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. I saw nothing in this post but mere adjectives describing individual posters who have clearly given up hope for reconciliation of individuals that have started gay churches and apparently keep apostolic doctrines all at the same time.

Remember, as long as there is LIFE there is HOPE and of course we know that LIFE is found in the Lord Jesus Christ.

People probably would have condemned Paul, who was one of the greatest Apostles straight to hell prior to his conversion . . . he persecuted Christians to the point it caused physical death to Christians, yet HE was able to turn from his wicked ways....and look....God used him to write the majority of the New Testament.

I say that to say that the poster probably feels there is hope for those who have gone into these erroneous doctrines....

(Yes, I've seen more offensive posts than the one in question, which didnt get punished, but that's beside the point, and another story for another day. )

However, I've known of people being warned, and banned [temporarily] for infractions that to me were not nearly as offensive as IsolatedSaint's comment.

But let's just look at the comment itself...

Maybe you don't find it offensive for someone to refer to HolyGhost filled, Jesus-name baptized children of God as people who are "manifesting religious demons", but I think more than a few of us find it to be a highly obnoxious comment, to put it mildly.

And if he's not put in check for that comment, and he's left with the impression that people are not too bothered by it, then that just sets a precedent where we may well end up seeing even worse stuff in the future coming from him, or other posters (especially new posters who are still "feeling things out" around here) --- which leads into my next point...

Frankly, I feel like I've watched the level of discourse around here take a downward turn the past few months, and although I dont like to call out the Admins in public, I have wondered at times why some of those comments were allowed to slide with no apparent consequences. (In fairness, of course, Admins are not going to see everything that's posted.) I have good reason to believe that the downward turn in civility (and the rise of the crackpot element on the forum) has contributed to some of our good members not bothering to post much any more, or not at all. Since this is a Christian forum, I think it behooves us to try to rein in some of the incivility that seems to be be growing more and more frequent around here.

Originally Posted by PraiseHymn

Now, the above comment will be warranted IF and ONLY IF the poster consistently shows a repeated pattern of violating the rules and regulations concerning this forum.

That's where you and I differ... big time.

It is precisely because he's a fairly new poster, that I felt it was important for someone to bring to his attention that insulting fellow posters is unacceptable behavior.

Why should we wait till he shows "a repeated pattern" of insulting members before we address the situation?

[tv1a]

Many cultures identified many clean shaven men as homosexuals for centuries. Let a few pot smokers grow a beard and let their hair grow and the Holiness Nazis come out with guns blazing.

Originally Posted by Weary Pilgrim

That's pure garbage. To imply that being clean shaven leads to homosexuality is ludicrus! If that was the case, most of conservative
Pentecost would have turned Homo which of course is NOT the case.

Last,no one has ever taught that a boy can't play sports. It was "Organized sports" that was taught against. Sports also includes hunting which quite a few Apostolic men are in to.

And what is there that's not allowed to be question that leads to homosexuality? The lenghts that some of you will go to blame everything on the UPC & Apostolics is astonishing!

[Weary Pilgrim]

Originally Posted by IsolatedSaint

It's not so much that clean shaven in and of itself leads to homosexuality, but making rules that you can't serve in ministry capacity or be a member in good standing in certain churches unless your clean shaven, now that COULD, maybe, possibly open the door for homosexual, effeminate spirits to attack. That's were the danger lies.

Which pentecost you talking about?.....the men during the Azusa street revivals had beards!!!!

Facial hair is not even the issue. Most moderate pentecostals ( even some cons) don't view it as a sin. However,to insinuate or even hint that being clean shaven opens the door to homosexuality shows how pathetic your whole theory really is. A lot of gays have facial hair for that matter.

[tv1a]

Just reading a few of your posts. A few curious of questions.

Are you gay?

If so, is this an excuse you are looking for to bash the upci?

Are you looking for an excuse to validiate your behavior?

The upci is dead to me, however I'm not looking for any reason to bash them. They do a good job of messing things up without my help.

Originally Posted by IsolatedSaint

The whole point of my post is that I'm tired of people writing off folks as reprobate and not worthy of being prayed for and don't really know the WHOLE STORY of what's really going on....and yes I've never been officially a member of UPC but I have attended there from time to time. "But a Saint you Ain't"? How do you know? Because I attack a denomination called UPC I'm not saved now. This is evidence of the sectarian spirit prevalent in the UPC...the ain't nobdy else really saved but us attitude and that's what needs to be attacked.

[tv1a]

As far as percentages, gays with facial hair is much lower than heterosexuals with facial hair. Of course there may be variances from area to area.

Originally Posted by Weary Pilgrim

Facial hair is not even the issue. Most moderate pentecostals ( even some cons) don't view it as a sin. However,to insinuate or even hint that being clean shaven opens the door to homosexuality shows how pathetic your whole theory really is. A lot of gays have facial hair for that matter.