I doubt anyone is going to admit being swayed or
evolving out of conservative teaching as a result of
years of discussions on the forum but does anyone
really believe that hours of intense and sometimes
emotional discussion wouldn't effect people???
It has in OTHER ways that I wont mention here!!! ummm
so why not in the way that the Cons feel is true ????
However, no one stepper has ever said a three stepper was going to hell.
No advocates of cut hair have ever said advocates of uncut hair were going to hell.
There have never been any threads started on this forum that were entitled "All Oneness People are going to hell"
We can all discuss and debate, but you make it sound like the only ones who are attacked are the Conservatives, and I'll stand up and say that it works both ways, with much harsher consequences pronounced on the Libs every day of the week.
Michael, you can check my history & my posts both here & on NFCF, I have stood up when I felt Libs were being trashed.
I think that people should have freedom to post, with the result being that others will be able to post opposing views as well.
That being said, this is a thread about "why Conservatives really left" is it not?
These forums have made me reevaluate what I believe from Oneness to the New Birth. I thought I'd searched the scriptures and was rooted and grounded in the fundamentals of what I've held as truth before I joined a few forums 2years ago, but I did nothing like the searching I've done since discussing different views online.
I like the fact that the interaction here and other places has made me dig deeper into the word of God. It's made me pray more and seek God for truth. Examining what we believe is not a bad thing.
I wasn't insulting you when I asked you that question. I find your posts very articulate and thought out. It's clear you're an intelligent person and can think for yourself even if I disagree with you.
That's awesome, Miz!
Then this forum actually worked in reverse for you........as one preacher said, "Sunlight melts butter, but hardens clay - it just depends on what's inside".
Maybe the same forum that weakens some will strengthen others, just depends on what we have inside.
And, I didn't take offense to your comment, it actually made me smile, because when I have questioned things over the years, the first question I'm asked is "WHO HAVE YOU BEEN TALKING TO? STAY AWAY FROM THEM!"
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It kinda was..... but there is a kernal of truth in there too.
People who believe in the uncut hair doctrine belive in some things that are heaven and hell issues, that others who reject that doctrine dont.
those that reject the passage in question is about hair at all, typically go with the "radical grace" theology anyway. beyond the big sins Micahael they really dont find much that will ........ a person.
so i was being crass and over the top, but the part about it not being a fair comparison is accurate.
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One of the final Gestapos left are Apostolic and Pentecostal Pastors... they would die to be able to kill "free thought"
Back up off my pastor, you don't know him.
And there are many others like him that are not trying to kill anything except the evil that premeates the earth.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Michael, you can check my history & my posts both here & on NFCF, I have stood up when I felt Libs were being trashed.
I think that people should have freedom to post, with the result being that others will be able to post opposing views as well.
That being said, this is a thread about "why Conservatives really left" is it not?
I posted to that effect.
Ron, I never said you were mentioned in that number.
I was presenting the opposing viewpoint in response to the "the board is too liberal, cons are being trashed" mindset.
You cannot talk about why Cons leave without bringing the opposite viewpoint into it, in my opinion. It's most certainly NOT a one way street.
__________________ "Many people view their relationship with God like a "color by number" picture. It's easier to let someone else define the boundaries, tell them which blanks to fill in, and what color to use than it is for them to take a blank canvas and seek inspiration from the Source in order to paint their own masterpiece"
the good news for me is, Im not looking for validation.
That is really the bottom line. If a weak minded person were to come on here, yes, I can see them being influenced. But, in that case, they are going to be easily influenced anywhere. And those types don't seem to stay around here very long.
If you are grounded in what you believe, and are getting good Biblical teaching at the church you attend, you should be able to discuss, debate and even question without it compromising what you believe.
I doubt anyone is going to admit being swayed or
evolving out of conservative teaching as a result of
years of discussions on the forum but does anyone
really believe that hours of intense and sometimes
emotional discussion wouldn't effect people???
It has in OTHER ways that I wont mention here!!! ummm
so why not in the way that the Cons feel is true ????
im with you.
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
I would think the google and yahoo search results would be more offensive to them than this forum.
Type "United Pentecostal" in google and your #3, #4, #6, ad #7 results come up with websites calling it a cult.
Type in "UPCI" in google and your #7 search result is a anti-cult site.
type in "United Pentecostal Church International" in google and your #5, #6, and #7 search result are once again anti-cult sites with the denominations info in it.
but lets go to yahoo for the other 1/3rd of the internet usage
type in "United Pentecostal" and #7 and #10 are anti-cult sites
type in "United Pentecostal Church International" in yahoo and #10 is anti-cult.
I would imagine that this board has less effect on people finding reasons to question things than simply using Google and Yahoo in their daily search. Thats why our church simply sticks with the term "Apostolic" since its not so tainted and has less of a chance of blowing out new believers who are researching what they are getting into. Why should we pay for the bad teaching of others?
This is different though. UPCers have known about these groups
for years from literature, books radio, debates, etc.
If anything, they rallied Oneness people together for the most
part.
The forum is more personal and the talk is from those we either
know or have the same background.
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