Noah and the Ark

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

To be honest, I don't know what a Relationship is that doesn't involve a physical interaction with the opposing party.

I attempted to force my mind to accept what others told me about God and Relationship, but IMO, Religion is a prison which attempts to put God behind the bars of their idea.

Too me, God is far bigger than a Book or a Religion.

By the power of the holy name of Jesus who is the only way to God.

I hereby hand you over to Satan that you may learn not to blaspheme.

In the name that is above every name, the name of Jesus Christ, Yeshua HaMashiach you are now given unto Satan.

from now on you are in the power of Satan.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by n david

I have seen God heal. I have felt His presence. My relationship is not based on a cultural idea, it's not based on some Pastor, it's not based on your dumb Spectral Evidence, straw man nonsense. My relationship is real, and has brought me through a lot of hard times.

It's absurd that you bash everyone's belief in God but your own. You mock and laugh at those who, like me, believe in the Bible and have a relationship with God. Yet you turn around and post "my ideas about God come from what I see and experience..." How ironic! Because my ideas and beliefs of God and His Word come from what I have both seen and personally experienced.

And who the devil are you to try and tell me it's not real?

Show me proof of the "Healing". Not a maybe, or might have been. Solid evidence, not Spectral Evidence.

My "dumb" Spectral Evidence? (Do you even know what Spectral Evidence is?) Show me where and when!

Your Relationship is fine if you so desire to believe in something you can't prove, just don't mock me if I don't agree with your unseen premise about God and Faith.

n david, I'm not here to bash anyone. I'm here to help people who have been abused by Religion and the lies within. In all sincerity, I don't think you do enough research to understand the truths you've never heard of.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

By the power of the holy name of Jesus who is the only way to God.

I hereby hand you over to Satan that you may learn not to blaspheme.

In the name that is above every name, the name of Jesus Christ, Yeshua HaMashiach you are now given unto Satan.

from now on you are in the power of Satan.

You've got to be kidding me!! Folks, here is RELIGION in RAGE! This is how people were treated in the Dark Ages when they decided to leave the "Church" for ideas that were real.

Sorry, but your mental manipulation doesn't work with me. Go home and go back to the drawing board of Truth, not this heap of lies that live in Religion.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

To be honest, I don't know what a Relationship is that doesn't involve a physical interaction with the opposing party.

I attempted to force my mind to accept what others told me about God and Relationship, but IMO, Religion is a prison which attempts to put God behind the bars of their idea.

Too me, God is far bigger than a Book or a Religion.

I agree. God is not a book nor a religion. But faith, which cannot be seen and isn't tangible in any way, is what I base my relationship with Jesus Christ upon, because without faith, He is nothing to me.

I pray you someday receive faith to have a relationship with God. He's much more than physical.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Sasha

I agree. God is not a book nor a religion. But faith, which cannot be seen and isn't tangible in any way, is what I base my relationship with Jesus Christ upon, because without faith, He is nothing to me.

I pray you someday receive faith to have a relationship with God. He's much more than physical.

Sasha, I do have what you call a, "Relationship", but I don't see it the same way you do.

Relationship with the Great Creator must abound with physical evidence, otherwise my Faith can trail into the oblivion of Fantasy.

When you consider that a majority of the Human Race doesn't even know what a Bible is, seeking God was done without Religion and its tentacles of lies and Laws that isolate people into groups that think everyone else is lost.

Not only does that conflict with the Law of Nature, it conflicts with common sense and true mercy for those who lack our ability(s).

[n david]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

My "dumb" Spectral Evidence? (Do you even know what Spectral Evidence is?) Show me where and when!

Yes, dumb Specral Evidence....used in the Salem Witch trials where a witness claimed a witch's spirit appeared in a dream.

"Spectral evidence is a form of evidence based upon dreams and visions." I can read Wikipedia, too.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Show me proof of the "Healing". Not a maybe, or might have been. Solid evidence, not Spectral Evidence.

Again, no need of your dumb Spectral Evidence. No dreams or visions of witches here. And I do have specific examples of healings, but I'm not going to share them because you'll only mock and try to explain your humanistic junk into it. Since it's personal and happened with both me and my mother, I won't allow it. Multiple Dr's confirmed it and there are tests and other documents which prove that which was there miraculously disappeared.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Your Relationship is fine if you so desire to believe in something you can't prove, just don't mock me if I don't agree with your unseen premise about God and Faith.

It's been proven, time and again. Your blindness to it doesn't make it any less real or proven.

Originally Posted by NotforSale

n david, I'm not here to bash anyone. I'm here to help people who have been abused by Religion and the lies within.

Pretty sure the majority here neither want nor need your "help."

Originally Posted by NotforSale

In all sincerity, I don't think you do enough research to understand the truths you've never heard of.

How condescending and narcissistic. Every post you make is all about how your belief and opinion is better than everyone else's. Maybe I should read more Wiki articles or watch more YouTube videos, right?

I walk by faith and not by demanding proof or evidence of every little belief. In the end, all will stand before God in judgement. I'm secure in what I believe.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by n david

Yes, dumb Specral Evidence....used in the Salem Witch trials where a witness claimed a witch's spirit appeared in a dream.

"Spectral evidence is a form of evidence based upon dreams and visions." I can read Wikipedia, too.

Again, no need of your dumb Spectral Evidence. No dreams or visions of witches here. And I do have specific examples of healings, but I'm not going to share them because you'll only mock and try to explain your humanistic junk into it. Since it's personal and happened with both me and my mother, I won't allow it. Just know multiple Dr's confirmed it and there are tests and other documents which prove that which was there miraculously disappeared.

It's been proven, time and again. Your blindness to it doesn't make it any less real or proven.

Pretty sure the majority here neither want nor need your "help."

How condescending and narcissistic. Every post you make is all about how your belief and opinion is better than everyone else's. Maybe I should read more Wiki articles or watch more YouTube videos, right?

I walk by faith and not by demanding proof or evidence of every little belief. In the end, all will stand before God in judgement. I'm secure in what I believe.

Again, no proof about your so called, Miracle, and, no proof that I use Spectral Evidence to validate truth. And, there were no Witches at the Salem Witch Trials. 19 innocent people were murdered, and hundreds imprisoned over Spectral (unseen) Evidence.

You also claim your belief system is better than mine, which is obvious in your post. You call me, blind, humanistic, condescending, narcissistic, and dumb (a word not allowed on this Forum).

We are all sinners there, Mr. Righteous.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Originally Posted by Bryan View Post
And by the way... we are discussing an account in Genesis. I didn't add anything to Revelation.

Originally Posted by pelathais View Post
You're degenerating too quickly.

Are you saying then that it's okay to "add" to the words of Genesis?

Originally Posted by Bryan View Post
On it's own terms? Degenerating? I wasn't attempting to argue with you.

Sure, its own terms. If you were to pick up a Mad Magazine (I haven't in years but I assume that it's still the same) you will approach that "literature" on its own terms. You expect something silly and nonsensical. You might groan at some of the "jokes" rather than laugh, but you are engaging the writers on their own terms.

I chose a rather extreme example to prove my point here.

However, the same approach should be used for the Bible. Is the Bible a book intending to tell the Natural History of the earth and cosmos? No.

The Bible is a collection of books written over a large period of time and so it's safe to say that there were many different local and immediate motivations behind its words. But throughout, we find the overall message is one of God's supernatural dealings with mankind.

Thus, it would be as wrong to look for a full and "accurate" Natural History of our planet from within the pages of the Bible as it would be to seek serious information regarding the U.S. Constitution on the pages of Mad Magazine.

There is no evidence whatsoever in the geologic record that the entire continental surface of the planet was covered by water withing any period in the past 6,000 years - or even a million years - or a billion!

The dimensions of an entirely wooden vessel such as the Ark of Genesis 6 could not have stayed afloat for the 4 months to a years as required by the various interpretations of Genesis.

The animals described could not have been kept alive for that time period given the dimensions and conditions of such a wooden vessel.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that this literally happened anyway, so why should we insist that it did? Our insistence serves no purpose and actually harms the faith of those who may be turning to Bible for helpful answers in this modern age.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Sasha, I do have what you call a, "Relationship", but I don't see it the same way you do.

Relationship with the Great Creator must abound with physical evidence, otherwise my Faith can trail into the oblivion of Fantasy.

When you consider that a majority of the Human Race doesn't even know what a Bible is, seeking God was done without Religion and its tentacles of lies and Laws that isolate people into groups that think everyone else is lost.

Not only does that conflict with the Law of Nature, it conflicts with common sense and true mercy for those who lack our ability(s).

What physical evidence can you supply that proves your relationship with Jesus?

As for your assertion that a majority doesn't know what a Bible is, I'm not sure where your assertion comes from, but scripture has always been around and even available to a majority of the human race, save a few instances and moments in times past. Even people who don't believe in God have a book about their beliefs, in most cases.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Sasha

What physical evidence can you supply that proves your relationship with Jesus?

As for your assertion that a majority doesn't know what a Bible is, I'm not sure where your assertion comes from, but scripture has always been around and even available to a majority of the human race, save a few instances and moments in times past. Even people who don't believe in God have a book about their beliefs, in most cases.

You need to do research on the Bible and its Origin. Modern printing presses were not invented until just a few Centuries ago, and the Canon was not complete until the end of the 4th Century.

Were Adam and Eve given a Book in the Garden?

Physical evidence of God is all around us. Creation is God's handiwork, or invention, and we can learn about the Inventor if we study the Invention. Simple as can be!