Clinton Is the Best Choice For the Unborn:

[Aquila]

For the record, "choice" isn't "pro-abortion". Most pro-choice people also see abortion as a tragedy. No little girl tells their mother, "Mommy, I want an abortion when I grow up." No mother in her right mind ever says to her little girl, "Honey, I really hope you have an abortion when you're a grown woman." In all honesty, the only "pro-abortion" policies or politicians I know come from China and support that nation's forced abortion policy. Pro-choice people primarily feel that ultimately a woman has sovereign authority over her body and the fruit of her womb, not the government. They fear that any government that can violate a woman's person and sovereignty to force her to give birth against her will, can violate her sovereignty and force a woman to have an abortion. Sovereign authority is sovereign authority.

However, those Democrats who are pro-choice also advocate for access to birth control, health insurance coverage for prenatals (through programs like SCHIP), subsidized day care, and wage increases to match inflation. They believe that these measures will lessen the financial impact of an unplanned or crisis pregnancy, thereby increasing the number of women who choose life. When Belgium focused on these issues they brought their abortion rate down to one of the lowest in the world, only 8 per every 1,000 pregnancies.... and their nation is also a rather progressive pro-choice nation. You see, 2 out of every 3 women who procure an abortion in the United States live at or below the poverty level, do not have health insurance, and cannot afford birth control. By focusing on women's issues, these policies tend to put women in a better place wherein fewer have unplanned pregnancies and those who do feel they are stable enough to have children, thereby causing more women to choose life. The old saying still rings true, "If momma ain't happy, ain'tt nobody happy." If you want to lower the abortion rate, we have to help women and address their needs and concerns.

If one charts the abortion rate in the United States we saw a spike in abortion after Roe. This leveled out under Reagan and the first Bush Administration. However, under Clinton's domestic policies that focused on health insurance, wage increases, and access to birth control, the abortion rate in the United States dropped to a 30 year all time low. We also saw the economy doing well and the nation was running a surplus. Under the Bush Administration we faced some tough economic times. Many lost jobs, insurance policies, homes, and average wages were down. We also saw an increase in the divorce rate. Guess what else we saw? A tick up in the abortion rate, and then it leveled out. The falling abortion rates seen under Clinton were over. Now numbers were stagnate. The continued to be stagnate through the first half of the Obama Administration. However, with the provisions in the ACA that make it illegal to deny a woman insurance by listing pregnancy as a pre-existing condition, and the expansion of SCHIP funding that covers both mother and child for two years after birth (in states that participate) we are actually seeing the abortion rate beginning to drop again.

All in all, one can argue that while Democrats are indeed prochoice, fewer abortions take place under Democratic policies as opposed to the austerity that often results from Republican policies.

I assure you, I hate abortion. I think every abortion is a tragedy. However, because this is so dear to my heart I've examined it very closely within the past 15 years.

As it relates to abortion's legality, the Republicans aren't going to do much beyond slashing funding to abortion providers. And the Supreme Court isn't going to reverse Roe. The SCOTUS has never taken away a sovereignty right after having granted it. So, talk about abortion's legality is just political chest beating. Democrats are prochoice but seek to make abortion safe, legal, and rare.

At the end of the day, we're faced with the reality that there are only two outcomes we can expect from these parties.

1.) A prochoice nation wherein women's issues are essentially ignored. The Republicans are promising to repeal the ACA. This means pregnancy would return to being a pre-existing condition that will cause a woman to be denied coverage. In addition, Republicans want to slash SCHIP funding, leaving no insurance options available for a pregnant woman or her child. This will lead to stagnate if not higher abortion rates.

or

2.) A prochoice nation wherein women's issues are addressed. A nation wherein birth control is available, women and children have health insurance, and the average income stands to increase. This will lead to lower abortion rates.

So, if one's focus is merely on abortion's legality, they should vote Republican. However, I promise, they'll not see anything significant done about abortion. But if one's focus is women, healthcare, and lower abortion rates, they vote Democrat.

At the end of the day, fewer children die under progressive pro-health, pro-women, and pro-mother policies.

[Aquila]

It all boils down to this....

Do you want a nation wherein women's issues are addressed and abortion is safe, legal, and rare? (Hillary)

Or do you want a nation wherein women's issues are essentially ignored and the abortion rate remains high? (Trump)

[Aquila]

What would be better?

A prochoice nation with progressive policies that help bring the abortion rate down to 8 out of every 1,000 pregnancies?

A "prolife" nation with conservative policies and austerity measures that only serve to keep the abortion rate as high as 25 to 28 out of every 1,000 pregnancies (or higher)?

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Do you want a nation wherein women's issues are addressed and abortion is safe, legal, and rare? (Hillary)

Rare? Nearly 59 million and counting since Roe v Wade is rare?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Amanah

eugenics . . .

yup

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Ultimately, the mother has sovereign authority over her body and the fruit of her womb. At some point, there has to be a final authority. Seeing how complicated various situations can be, I'd much rather that decision rest solely in the hands of individual women.

In my mind, allowing the government to violate a woman's sovereignty in order to force her to give birth against her will is just as bad as violating a woman's sovereignty and forcing her to get an abortion against her will.

mmm, but when does overlooking become encouraging.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I believe the legality is necessary for those rare occasions.

i believe if some mothers
who didn't become mothers
and can't now
were to be put in positions where
they were the one with the gun
for these ladies;
well then things might be different

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Jito463

Rare? Nearly 59 million and counting since Roe v Wade is rare?

and the blood will run up to a horse's bridle, for miles

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Aquila

It all boils down to this....

Do you want a nation wherein women's issues are addressed and abortion is safe, legal, and rare? (Hillary)

Or do you want a nation wherein women's issues are essentially ignored and the abortion rate remains high? (Trump)

How did we ever make it to 1973?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I've been trying to explain this for years. If you want to truly reduce the number of abortions in this country you have to address the needs and the concerns of women. Those needs and concerns are healthcare, income, poverty, contraceptives, education, cost of daycare, and family leave. Only the Democrats address these issues adequately. And that is why abortion rates have tended to drop under Democrats.

So, if you want to reduce the abortion rate and truly save the unborn....vote Democratic. If you want more lip service, more empty promises, less healthcare, lower incomes, more poverty, less access to contraceptives, less education, the elimination of family leave, and higher abortion rates....vote Republican.

The truth is that both parties are prochoice. But only one party truly addresses the issues and concerns of women and will, as a result, reduce the abortion rate.... the Democrats.

So, if you want progressive policies that reduce the abortion rate, vote Clinton. If you want more empty promises and higher abortion rates, vote Trump.

This isn't about prolife verses prochoice, because BOTH parties are prochoice in practice. This is about higher abortion rates vs. lower abortion rates. The Republicans are lying to you. Don't fall for Satan's bait and switch scheme. The lives of the unborn are depending upon you.

Hillary Clinton Is the Best Choice for Voters Against Abortion: http://m.christianpost.com/news/hill...on-170258/?m=1

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