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Old 04-01-2015, 03:47 PM
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Are you going to seriously try to claim that the due process tied to the ONE scenario applies to the whole?


No, I don't believe it does...because it's tied to Section 3 for Passports, and left out of Section 2 which addresses loss of nationality.


Ok. There is no distortion here.

FACT:
There is no due process outlined in Section 2 relating to loss of nationality. It is addressed and given as a remedy SOLELY for Section 3's Passport or Passport Card revocation, denial, etc.

FACT:
Paragraph 7 of the original 8 USC 1481 relates ONE scenario where a person voluntarily conspired to overthrow the government and was subsequently convicted by court martial or another court. When that occurs, the person "shall lose his nationality."
From your link, where do you NOT see Due Process?:

SEC. 2. Loss of nationality due to support of terrorism.

“(D) violating section 2384 of such title by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them,

if and when such person is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.”.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-...-bill/247/text
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I can agree with you that I believe this is covered under the Constitution:

Article 3, Section 3 of the Constitution:

1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

2: The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
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From Harvard Law Review:

On the Meaning of “Natural Born Citizen”


While the field of candidates for the next presidential election is still taking shape, at least one potential candidate, Senator Ted Cruz, was born in a Canadian hospital to a U.S. citizen mother. Despite the happenstance of a birth across the border, there is no question that Senator Cruz has been a citizen from birth and is thus a “natural born Citizen” within the meaning of the Constitution.

http://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/...-born-citizen/
The links I gave in this thread document that Cruz is ineligible and why. Merely saying "Nuh-uh!" does not refute anything.

Obviously you are a Cruz supporter. The fact that Cruz is a neo-con and part of the Bush administration as an advisor, the fact his wife is a VP of Goldman-Sachs, the fact he supports "free trade" and has NOT stood against the TPP, the fact he has not led a charge to impeach the current usurper, blah blah blah... never mind.

Hildebeast will probably be the next Prez anyway, if we make it that far. And the GOP cult members will continue supporting the lying thieving anti constitutionalists just because these politicians tell em what they want to hear (regardless of the actual FACTS of the case... like in regard to Cruz's snide little attempt to strip citizenship from people uncle scam deems bad... but of course a blurb that says "oh no it's all legit" is enough to satisfy...)

I am watching my country disintegrate and go down the drain at the hands of lying statists... and so many of my countrymen cheer it on. God have mercy on our children.
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What is a court of competent jurisdiction? Some star chamber specially set up to "try" such cases? You really are naive PO if you think that language is any guaranty of due process. You obviously don't get how this works. The language you posted allows for ANY tribunal, operating under ANY rules, to establish the "legality" of such proceedings, as long as it the government sets it up and says it has jurisdiction.

EVERYTHING the soviet government did was "legal". Remember that.

These people do NOT get to their position unless they are compromised. If elections worked they'd be illegal.
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http://americandictators.blogspot.co...erica.html?m=1


"This is the "TEA Party Conservative" Ted Cruz plan. While pounding the drum that he is opposed to Amnesty and wants a Secure Border, Ted hopes you don't hear the next two amendments he wants to add to Senate Bill 744. Ted wants to more than double immigration to this country at a time when almost half of working age Americans are out of work.


If that's isn't enough, he wants to increase the H1B visa FIVE HUNDRED PERCENT. These are the visas for highly skilled workers, you know, the jobs you send your kids to college for so they can get one of those good jobs. But Ted Cruz wants those jobs to go to foreigners, not Americans.

And if that isn't enough, Ted Cruz wants to DOUBLE the general worker visa. If you can't afford to send your kids to college, don't worry, Ted has a plan to keep them at home too - he'll make sure any job they could get also goes to foreigners. This is an Act of War Against America and the very definition of Treason in the US Constitution. "

Details and video at the link.
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"This is the "TEA Party Conservative" Ted Cruz plan. While pounding the drum that he is opposed to Amnesty and wants a Secure Border, Ted hopes you don't hear the next two amendments he wants to add to Senate Bill 744. Ted wants to more than double immigration to this country at a time when almost half of working age Americans are out of work.


If that's isn't enough, he wants to increase the H1B visa FIVE HUNDRED PERCENT. These are the visas for highly skilled workers, you know, the jobs you send your kids to college for so they can get one of those good jobs. But Ted Cruz wants those jobs to go to foreigners, not Americans.

And if that isn't enough, Ted Cruz wants to DOUBLE the general worker visa. If you can't afford to send your kids to college, don't worry, Ted has a plan to keep them at home too - he'll make sure any job they could get also goes to foreigners. This is an Act of War Against America and the very definition of Treason in the US Constitution. "

Details and video at the link.
Ted Cruz explains why he supports an increase of temporary work visas.



Regardless of the title of this video, I don't see a problem with "legal" immigration - it's common sense.

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Sen. Cruz Presents Measure to Strengthen, Improve Legal Immigration
Offers amendment to increase H-1B visas to help improve, retain high-skilled labor force
May 14, 2013
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WASHINGTON, DC – U.S. Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) today presented an amendment to the Gang of Eight immigration bill that would improve our nation’s legal immigration system by increasing high-skilled temporary worker visas, called H-1B visas, by 500 percent. The measure would effectively address the needs of our nation’s high-skilled workforce by helping meet the growing demand for workers in the science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) fields. It will also make block grants available to states to promote STEM education efforts and increase domestic STEM professionals. The committee voted against the amendment 4 to 14 with every Democrat voting against it on a party-line vote.

“I strongly support legal immigration. Legal immigration is a fundamental pillar of our nation's heritage, and I was pleased today to offer legislation that would have improved and expanded legal immigration by dramatically increasing the cap for high-tech temporary worker visas. This amendment would not only improve the current system, but would also encourage economic growth and create new jobs in America. There is currently a serious shortage of workers in the fields of science, technology, engineering, and math, yet every year we send thousands of high-tech graduate students back to their home countries to start businesses and create jobs. This makes no sense. I’m disappointed in the committee’s vote to reject expanding high-tech immigration. Although the Gang of Eight's bill makes a modest step towards improving high-tech immigration, it does not go nearly far enough. There is no reason to arbitrarily cap high-tech visas at 110,000 when these jobs are going unfilled. We need economic growth here and now.”

Sen. Cruz’s amendment would:

Immediately increase the H-1B cap by 500 percent from 65,000 to 325,000.

To truly fix our broken immigration system and take into account our nation’s economic needs, we must put more emphasis on increasing employment-based immigration. There is a current shortage of qualified high-skilled workers in the U.S., with an estimated 230,000 advanced-degree STEM jobs going unfilled by 2018.
Additionally, more H-1B workers mean more jobs for American workers – according to a study by the American Enterprise Institute, for every additional 100 H-1B workers, 183 jobs are created for U.S. citizens.

Help retain the high-skilled workers that are trained in the U.S. by allowing “dual intent.”

This would allow foreign students at U.S. colleges and universities to enter the U.S. on a temporary H-1B visa if they intend to get a Green Card once they complete their studies.
Currently, about 300,000 students come to America annually to be educated, but are required to return home upon completing their education.

Create block grants for states to promote STEM education in their public schools by raising H-1B fees.

These block grants will encourage educating our children in these high demand fields, opening more doors of opportunity to future generations. According to the Joint Economic Committee, between 2010 and 2020, demand for STEM graduates is expected to grow by 17 percent, while employment for those graduates will increase only 14 percent, partly because American graduates are not available or qualified to fill these jobs.

The block grant program would be funded by raising H-1B fees from $750 to $1,250 for businesses with fewer than 25 employees, and from $1,500 to $2,500 for those with 25 or more employees.

http://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=137
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From your link, where do you NOT see Due Process?:

SEC. 2. Loss of nationality due to support of terrorism.

“(D) violating section 2384 of such title by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them,

if and when such person is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.”.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-...-bill/247/text
Good morning.

You're right, I was incorrect. The new Amendment does have the due process written.
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Good morning.

You're right, I was incorrect. The new Amendment does have the due process written.
We agree on something? Awesome!!!

Have a busy day today, making this a good start.
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Just heard James Carville commenting on Morning Joe, think the clip is from yesterday, "He (Cruz) is fearless. If Jeb Bush wants the nomination, he is going to have to deal with that."
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