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Re: Apostolic Ministers Allegedly Murder Young Wom
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Jason, even strong initial evidence people like David Bernard make it clear that tongues are not a shortcut or replacement for the long term evidence in a Christian's life.
Until we have quotes of people claiming tongues are the ultimate cure for all things carnal, I can agree that "We need a real relationship with Jesus Christ, and it doesn't come by tongues" ALONE. Certainly tongues are a part of many people's conversion experience, consecration and dedication.
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I guess the key word here is "initial" and that does beg the question, "Just what is the continuing evidence?"
I take it that Jason was simply reacting to some harsh condemnation that he has seen or heard personally and that this horrendous news article triggered the thought that at least some of the extravagant claims of those he describes run counter to our actual real world experiences.
I personally feel hurt inside after reading this. What a terrible thing to do to a church and what a horrible, horrible thing to do to the mother of three kids and to those children as well. I don't wanna argue anything here.
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04-02-2011, 08:38 AM
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Re: Apostolic Ministers Allegedly Murder Young Wom
I am glad the news article makes it clear that they had not been a member of that church for many years. It does not make the crime any less horrible but at least is not a black eye on that church or Apostolic/Pentecostals in general.
This story reminds me of something a former pastor of mind used to say. He would caution the congregation about being condescending towards people who have committed atrocious sins because without God any of us are capable of anything.
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Re: Apostolic Ministers Allegedly Murder Young Wom
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I am glad the news article makes it clear that they had not been a member of that church for many years. It does not make the crime any less horrible but at least is not a black eye on that church or Apostolic/Pentecostals in general.
This story reminds me of something a former pastor of mind used to say. He would caution the congregation about being condescending towards people who have committed atrocious sins because without God any of us are capable of anything.
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Someone said they were ordained 2-3 years ago?
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Re: Apostolic Ministers Allegedly Murder Young Wom
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I am glad the news article makes it clear that they had not been a member of that church for many years. It does not make the crime any less horrible but at least is not a black eye on that church or Apostolic/Pentecostals in general.
This story reminds me of something a former pastor of mind used to say. He would caution the congregation about being condescending towards people who have committed atrocious sins because without God any of us are capable of anything.
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Amen.
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Re: Apostolic Ministers Murder Young Woman.
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We need a real relationship with Jesus Christ, and it doesn't come by tongues.
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I hope I am not the first to ask this but why can't this be just another example of people who do have a relationship with Jesus Christ but in their humanity choose to sin?
Yes, there are consequences to sinful decisions- even for Christians, maybe even especially for Christians.
Still, I don't doubt the sincerity or salvation of these folks because of a decision to sin.
No excuse for the sin, but all of us are guilty of something and all of us will need Grace, mercy and restoration at least one more time before dying.
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Re: Apostolic Ministers Allegedly Murder Young Wom
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Someone said they were ordained 2-3 years ago?
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According to the news articlel I read they had not gone to that church for 8 years if I remember correctly. Apparently at some point the mom and dad moved away then moved back but did not go to the church when they moved back if I understood correctly. They did say the son would occasionally attend.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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Re: Apostolic Ministers Allegedly Murder Young Wom
I think it entirely possible this was not premeditated murder. They may have kidnapped her with intent to have a face to face "what for" and things went bad in a struggle... It will be interesting to see what comes out in testimony.
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Re: Apostolic Ministers Allegedly Murder Young Wom
Does Ohio have the death penalty?
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Re: Apostolic Ministers Allegedly Murder Young Wom
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Re: Apostolic Ministers Allegedly Murder Young Wom
Please forgive me. It should have been title "FORMER Apostolic Ministers Alledgedly........" I recently learned that their ministerial licences were permanently revoked in early 2010, just a few months after they were ordained, for conduct unbecoming of ministers of the fellowship.
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