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[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Melody

LOL, *shaking head*
a hairstyle is NOT adornment,

amazingly I usually hear from "outsiders" (not bitter backslidden pentecostals) how beautiful a womans hair is,

So what did Paul mean by 'broided hair'?

No one said it wasn't pretty.

Why do you think we're bitter?

You're not addressing any of the real points that have been made in this thread.

Paul said -

gold and pearls
broided hair
costly array

Paul said it, not bitter backslidden Pentecostals.

You give your position no credibility when you can't respond with a reasoned answer, just insults.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Melody

LOL, *shaking head*
a hairstyle is NOT adornment,

amazingly I usually hear from "outsiders" (not bitter backslidden pentecostals) how beautiful a womans hair is,

Melody, I hope you are not talking about the people on this thread, I think that is a little unfair. I don't think anyone is saying their hair is ugly.

[Sister Alvear]

Yes, I beg your pardon a hairstyle can adorn people try going without your hair combed....

[Sister Alvear]

adorn [əˈdɔːn]
vb (tr)
1. to decorate she adorned her hair with flowers
2. to increase the beauty, distinction, etc., of
[via Old French from Latin adōrnāre, from ōrnāre to furnish, prepare]
adornment n
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003

ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
Verb 1. adorn - make more attractive by adding ornament, colour, etc.; "Decorate the room for the party"; "beautify yourself for the special day"
decorate, grace, ornament, embellish, beautify
alter, change, modify - cause to change; make different; cause a transformation; "The advent of the automobile may have altered the growth pattern of the city"; "The discussion has changed my thinking about the issue"
wreathe - decorate or deck with wreaths; "wreathe the grave site"
incrust, encrust, beset - decorate or cover lavishly (as with gems)
braid - decorate with braids or ribbons; "braid a collar"
broider, embroider - decorate with needlework
stick - cover and decorate with objects that pierce the surface; "stick some feathers in the turkey before you serve it"
illustrate - supply with illustrations; "illustrate a book with drawings"
garland - adorn with bands of flowers or leaves; "They garlanded the statue"
fledge, flight - decorate with feathers; "fledge an arrow"
bespangle, spangle - decorate with spangles; "the star-spangled banner"
foliate - decorate with leaves
flag - decorate with flags; "the building was flagged for the holiday"
bard, barde, caparison, dress up - put a caparison on; "caparison the horses for the festive occasion"
bead - decorate by sewing beads onto; "bead the wedding gown"
pipe - trim with piping; "pipe the skirt"
applique - sew on as a decoration
gild the lily, paint the lily - adorn unnecessarily (something that is already beautiful)
vermiculate - decorate with wavy or winding lines
smock - embellish by sewing in straight lines crossing each other diagonally; "The folk dancers wore smocked shirts"
hang - decorate or furnish with something suspended; "Hang wallpaper"
prank - dress or decorate showily or gaudily; "Roses were pranking the lawn"
tinsel - adorn with tinsel; "snow flakes tinseled the trees"
tart up - decorate in a cheap and flashy way; "the small-town bar was all tarted up"
stucco - decorate with stucco work; "stuccoed ceilings"
redecorate - redo the decoration of an apartment or house
panel - decorate with panels; "panel the walls with wood"
bejewel, jewel - adorn or decorate with precious stones; "jeweled dresses"
filet, fillet - decorate with a lace of geometric designs
scallop - decorate an edge with scallops; "the dress had a scalloped skirt"
bedizen - decorate tastelessly
dress ship - decorate a ship with flags
garnish, trim, dress - decorate (food), as with parsley or other ornamental foods
trim - decorate, as with ornaments; "trim the christmas tree"; "trim a shop window"
bedeck, bedight, deck - decorate; "deck the halls with holly"
festoon - decorate with strings of flowers; "The public buildings were festooned for the holiday"
enamel - coat, inlay, or surface with enamel
inlay - decorate the surface of by inserting wood, stone, and metal
lacquer - coat with lacquer; "A lacquered box from China"
begild, engild, gild - decorate with, or as if with, gold leaf or liquid gold
illuminate - add embellishments and paintings to (medieval manuscripts)
blazon, emblazon - decorate with heraldic arms
emblazon, colour, color - decorate with colors; "color the walls with paint in warm tones"
fringe - adorn with a fringe; "The weaver fringed the scarf"
fret - decorate with an interlaced design
landscape - embellish with plants; "Let's landscape the yard"
ornament - be an ornament to; "stars ornamented the Christmas tree"
2. adorn - be beautiful to look at; "Flowers adorned the tables everywhere"
deck, decorate, embellish, grace, beautify
be - have the quality of being; (copula, used with an adjective or a predicate noun); "John is rich"; "This is not a good answer"
ornament - be an ornament to; "stars ornamented the Christmas tree"
3. adorn - furnish with power or authority; of kings or emperors
clothe, invest
equip, fit out, outfit, fit - provide with (something) usually for a specific purpose; "The expedition was equipped with proper clothing, food, and other necessities"

Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2008 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.

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adorn
verb decorate, enhance, deck, trim, grace, array, enrich, garnish, ornament, embellish, emblazon, festoon, bedeck, beautify, engarland Several oil paintings adorn the walls

[BHILL]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

It's only a contradiction, AQP, if the person in question believes that adornment is wrong. If they DON'T, and they're just obeying the rules that they have to in order to belong to a group (e.g., the UPCI, WPF, etc), then you'll still see them adorning themselves--just not with jewelry, since that's specifically mentioned.

It illustrates the fact that living according to a principle gives different results than living according to a list of rules. If a woman likes adornment, and likes pretty, fancy things--she's going to find a way to wear them, and still obey the rules she's been given.

My pastor preached about convictions recently, and he stated that "Your conduct reveals your convictions." Very true. You don't have to ask people what their convictions are. If they're against adornment, they'll dress plainly. If they're not, they won't--whether they have on jewelry or not.

I have a difficult time being hard on a group of women whose husbands and pastors have given them a list of rules, and so they are doing their best to look beautiful within their boundaries and culture. It isn't always their personal inconsistency that's showing.

Since you don't believe that adornment is a sin, then I would assume you're not condemning anyone for adorning themselves. In order to then condemn people for inconsistency, you'd have to assume that they, individually, believe that adornment is wrong, but do it anyway in innocuous ways. I would propose that their convictions are revealed by their actions, and that they don't believe adornment is wrong at all. The apparent inconsistency isn't personal, but imposed by a third party.

Here's my deal: I go to a UPCI church, so there are certain things I have to comply with, like it or not. However, the rules I don't agree with--I just obey them to the letter. I don't try to apply some related principle, because I don't think there is one. I'm perfectly fine with finding loopholes--because I don't embrace a broad principle behind the rule. (Such as the one regarding jewelry--I, like many other women I know, own blouses or sweaters with jewelry sewn on .) When I go to conference or special events, I have to dress more conservatively than I do on a normal basis. That's my paradigm. However, I have a personal set of core convictions that I don't waver from, no matter where we are--and several of those are things that the UPC org. doesn't hold.

Sooooo...it would sting a bit for someone to think I was being inconsistent to wear a big flower in my hair as opposed to a tiara, because I have nothing against tiaras either. (Except that I don't think it would be very tasteful, but that's neither here nor there.) In order to apply the "inconsistent" label, you'd have to first assume that I'm opposed to tiaras.

I've been meaning to talk to you about your excessive jewelry,Abi. Everytime I close my eyes and pray at church all I can see is that gawdy necklace sewn into your black dress.I think you like it because it sparkles while you play & sing.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by BHILL

I've been meaning to talk to you about your excessive jewelry,Abi. Everytime I close my eyes and pray at church all I can see is that gawdy necklace sewn into your black dress.I think you like it because it sparkles while you play & sing.

Very Cute, Hill.

[GraceAmazing]

Originally Posted by Melody

LOL, *shaking head*
a hairstyle is NOT adornment,

amazingly I usually hear from "outsiders" (not bitter backslidden pentecostals) how beautiful a womans hair is,

Um, maybe the hairstyle in itself isn't an adornment, I'll go with you on that one...BUT the massive black feather or the mass of rhinestones intertwined with the hairstyle IS adornment...and no, I am not a bitter backslidden pentecostal...and I do think some hairstyles are pretty...but when I walk into the school to pick up my daughter and the girl doing the checking out has a hairstyle bigger than her head that is also full of rhinestones (she's UPC btw), I have to wonder how big of a deal my little silver ring on my right hand really is in comparison...

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Melody

LOL, *shaking head*
a hairstyle is NOT adornment,

amazingly I usually hear from "outsiders" (not bitter backslidden pentecostals) how beautiful a womans hair is,

Who said anything about ugly hair?

A hairstyle can be a sort of adornment if it's elaborate, and especially if the hairdo incorporates other things like ribbon, cord, barrettes, pins or scarves.

Personally, I don't have a problem with fancy hairdos (or fancy hats). I like both. And both fall under the category of "adornment." It's the same thing as noticing the difference between an Amish person's dress and the queen in her royal robes. One is obviously more "decorated" than the other.

Random--but I just love this hat:
lilac hat.jpg

[Melody]

Elizabeth,
I was stating that outsiders, usually don't have a problem with the hairstyle, (NOT ADORNMENT) usually just someone that USED to have lovely hairstyles and now they choose not too, so they belittle those that still do?

I would also, say the vast majority don't have "jewels" in their hair.

AQP, I insulted who?

How anyone can judge these girls, my hairstyle is simple cause I can keep it in place that way. But how anyone can look at these girls and say they are full of pride and vanity without knowing them is beyond me!

My lovely daughter can do wonders with her hair, she reads her bible every morning at 5am, prays, works with the youth leaders, works in any area she is called upon whether it is singing and playing or scrubbing the toilet to sharing the gospel with the lost, makes a committed monetary pledge to the church and missions and JUST because she may fix her hair a bit differently, she is full of vanity? I think not!

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Melody

Elizabeth,
I was stating that outsiders, usually don't have a problem with the hairstyle, (NOT ADORNMENT) usually just someone that USED to have lovely hairstyles and now they choose not too, so they belittle those that still do?

I would also, say the vast majority don't have "jewels" in their hair.

AQP, I insulted who?

You seemed to be insinuating that those of us on this thread who considered elaborate hairstyles 'adornment' were bitter, backslidden Pentecostals. That's what I meant by insulting.

I still have long, uncut hair that I sometimes fix in an elaborate hairstyle. So, my opinion is not coming from a "used-to-be". But, I still look around me and say - 'we don't believe in adorning ourselves?? Ookkkaaayyyyyyy.' I still believe an elaborate hairstyle is an adornment.

How anyone can judge these girls, my hairstyle is simple cause I can keep it in place that way. But how anyone can look at these girls and say they are full of pride and vanity without knowing them is beyond me!

My lovely daughter can do wonders with her hair, she reads her bible every morning at 5am, prays, works with the youth leaders, works in any area she is called upon whether it is singing and playing or scrubbing the toilet to sharing the gospel with the lost, makes a committed monetary pledge to the church and missions and JUST because she may fix her hair a bit differently, she is full of vanity? I think not!

My daughter does the hairdos, too, and I fix my younger daughter's hair all up fancy. I think it's cute. It's not the girls I am criticizing, it's the doctrine.

I still believe that the anti-jewelry doctrine is completely baseless, particularly if you're going to allow fancy clothes and hairdos.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.