Rick Warren Statement - Page 7

BeenThinkin · #61 01-12-2010, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by John Atkinson

I have a true christian detector app on my iphone, true christians show up as red blips on the screen....

Man!!!! You've miss read your iphone. The Red blip is for DANGER!!!! Don't you remember, red fire truck, red police light, etc.

All those red blips are NOT CHRISTIANS!!! You should have been better at reading the signs!!!!

notofworks · #62 01-12-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

Awe, yes I agree. WITH one caveat though. If they do not stay unbelievers. If the majority stays unbelievers there is something very wrong somewhere.

If the single greatest goal is to bring them to Christ and see them born again - then I agree, having them attend is a GREAT thing.

Oh, there's no doubt that's the goal. I can't control their reaction but I can depend on the Holy Spirit to do all the things I can't do. What an opportunity when they're sitting right in front of you.

RandyWayne · #63 01-12-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by John Atkinson

I have a true christian detector app on my iphone, true christians show up as red blips on the screen....

Isn't the red blip usually the alien that is being tracked crawling around the air duct system, as you try to lead your captain (the man with the flamethrower) to so he can kill the savage beast?

Hoovie · #64 01-12-2010, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Oh, there's no doubt that's the goal. I can't control their reaction but I can depend on the Holy Spirit to do all the things I can't do. What an opportunity when they're sitting right in front of you.

I believe you.

With all due respect NOW, it is not always self evident (to others) from your posts on AFF.

I also think the mechanisms of outreach change as the church matures. What may be an ideal model for you and a rather new outreach, may not be ideal for your church after 20 years of established believers and their families. The core at that point will be different than a new work. Therefore I resist the temptation of judging the harshly the way others do things. (and not saying you are)

notofworks · #65 01-12-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

I believe you.

With all due respect NOW, it is not always self evident (to others) from your posts on AFF.

I also think the mechanisms of outreach change as the church matures. What may be an ideal model for you and a rather new outreach, may not be ideal for your church after 20 years of established believers and their families. The core at that point will be different than a new work. Therefore I resist the temptation of judging the harshly the way others do things. (and not saying you are)

It's possible that others on AFF could better me in talent, education, preaching ability, and biblical knowledge. But no one could top me (match me, possibly) in my passion for the local church and making sure the line of believers behind me is as long as possible. I live for nothing else. I'm completely consumed by it and nothing else in this world inspires me. Of course, my personal family is #1 and our personal circumstances are the only thing that keep me from working every waking minute that I'm not asleep.

So if there's ever the impression that I'm not serious about Jesus Christ or the mission of the local church or the ecumenical church, I've been misunderstood.

As far as the mission of the local church....when one reads the New Testament, one must be aware that nearly every instruction given is with an awareness of the impact it will have on those that are outside the faith. I don't see that the early church had any other care than to spread the redemption of Jesus Christ to everyone possible. The church is based on the Cross of Jesus Christ and the purpose of the cross was the redemption of mankind.

And I love the fact that guys like Rick Warren, who could take it easy for the rest of this life and be very happy that 40,000 people call Saddleback their home, is still as passionate as ever about reaching people. The same can be said of Bill Hybels, Andy Stanley, Perry Noble, Erwin McManus, and others.

I once saw Eddie Long, who is a part of the TBN bunch that I don't care for at all, speaking at a gathering of ministers. In the middle of his message, he was overcome with agony for how little he had done for Christ. I had never heard of him at the time. He wept like I've never seen anyone in a sermon and he bent over double and tears poured from his eyes and....I know this is yucky...but stuff poured from his nose as he wept. There wasn't an ounce of dignity in him. He finally said, "When I realize how many people are in this city that need Jesus, the agony is unbearable", and he started the process all over again.

I tell this because I looked up Eddie Long and found out that he pastored a church of 30,000 people. I don't ever want to lose my passion for those who don't know Christ. It's the only thing in life that really matters to me.

Scott Hutchinson · #66 01-12-2010, 03:52 PM

I wish to apologize to NOW,it seems that my choice of words this morning on the Rick Warren statement thread were the not best way to express myself.

I did not mean to sound harsh,or sound like I was causing strive,please forgive me for any misunderstanding or hard feelings that was caused from anything I have posted.

BeenThinkin · #67 01-12-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

I wish to apologize to NOW,it seems that my choice of words this morning on the Rick Warren statement thread were the not best way to express myself.

I did not mean to sound harsh,or sound like I was causing strive,please forgive me for any misunderstanding or hard feelings that was caused from anything I have posted.

Scott...Have you been taking lessons from Harry Reid? or is it Harry Reed? olo oops make that lol

Scott Hutchinson · #68 01-12-2010, 03:59 PM

To be honest I don't know who Harry Reed is.

notofworks · #69 01-12-2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

I wish to apologize to NOW,it seems that my choice of words this morning on the Rick Warren statement thread were the not best way to express myself.

I did not mean to sound harsh,or sound like I was causing strive,please forgive me for any misunderstanding or hard feelings that was caused from anything I have posted.

I'll only accept this, your first apology thread of 2010, if you accompany this with a Youtube video.

Come on, Scott, I just wanted to make a point, and you didn't hurt my feelings a teency-weency little bit. We're cool.

BeenThinkin · #70 01-12-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

To be honest I don't know who Harry Reed is.

Scott,..... Harry would be so hurt to know that you didn't know him. He's Majority Leader of the Senate! He just spoke some disparaging words about Obama. You know Obama, the Pres? Then he apologized. Kinda!!! Sorry my joke didn't work..