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Old 04-09-2009, 10:10 AM
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Ferd apologizes for having liked Rick Warren

To all those out there that I have recommended Rick Warren’s writings and such, I apologize.

In light of his recent apology, it seems appropriate.
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Old 04-09-2009, 10:13 AM
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Old 04-09-2009, 10:22 AM
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Re: Ferd apologizes for having liked Rick Warren

That song is an oldie.....but a nice memory.
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Old 04-09-2009, 10:27 AM
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Re: Ferd apologizes for having liked Rick Warren

I bought RW's first book before his aggressive expansion campaigns. I studied it and it seeming leaves out the Power of the Holy ghost.
Then I reviewed it and in each and every idea he expressed for his business/marketing church growth model, I could name who he copied from Covey, Ziglar and a long list of others.

So He was busted. He was just trying to bring the world's miotivational mess into the church and be a pioneer in doing so.

Then I looked at his application of scripture. For some reason he couldn't use King James or some other chioce but would make a point and scroll down 20 translations and find a verse that supported his statement. I looked at this like abusing the bible. Oh it gets worse, he would take out a phrase from a verse and leave out the rest of a verse because the rest of the verse would mess up his claim.

I admit I was excited about his rigid expression of some doctrine during the Obama mccain debate. I was actually trying to push my head into believing he was more mainstreem baptist. He let me down on this case. He truly is how I objectively saw him to be. He is borderline emerging church movement fanatic.
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Old 04-09-2009, 10:37 AM
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Re: Ferd apologizes for having liked Rick Warren

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I bought RW's first book before his aggressive expansion campaigns. I studied it and it seeming leaves out the Power of the Holy ghost.
Then I reviewed it and in each and every idea he expressed for his business/marketing church growth model, I could name who he copied from Covey, Ziglar and a long list of others.

So He was busted. He was just trying to bring the world's miotivational mess into the church and be a pioneer in doing so.

I too read RW first book, and was not as disappointed as you. Having read many of the books along the lines of Covey and Ziglar I wouldn't say they are "motivational mess." My former pastor required the reading of "Seven Habits" for everyone on his staff. We still exchange titles of books we find helpful in the areas of leadership, communication, motivation, etc. As Pastor Craig would say, "We eat the chicken and spit out the bones."

Now as far as RW, you all can have him, I got the feeling he was selling out months ago.
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Old 04-09-2009, 10:40 AM
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Old 04-09-2009, 10:43 AM
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Re: Ferd apologizes for having liked Rick Warren

Just read through the link from WND that has weirdly disappeared now ... wish I could watch YouTube vids at work, but no flash.

Anyhoo ... wow. RW's stock has tanked in my mind. I'll definitely refrain from purchasing material from Saddleback in the future.
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Old 04-09-2009, 10:48 AM
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I too read RW first book, and was not as disappointed as you. Having read many of the books along the lines of Covey and Ziglar I wouldn't say they are "motivational mess." My former pastor required the reading of "Seven Habits" for everyone on his staff. We still exchange titles of books we find helpful in the areas of leadership, communication, motivation, etc. As Pastor Craig would say, "We eat the chicken and spit out the bones."

Now as far as RW, you all can have him, I got the feeling he was selling out months ago.
I booked Covey for some higher level company workshops before he was personally over 5,000 dollars a day. I learned shortly thereafter that he is Mormon and then going back to his book, i noticed some obvious Mormon views and principles in there.
I like Ziglar and under Ziglar's leadership, my pastor actually appeared infront of one of their national conferences.
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Old 04-09-2009, 10:53 AM
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Re: Ferd apologizes for having liked Rick Warren

There's nothing wrong with using motivational, marketing or business models in church administration. In fact, a lot of churches would do well to learn how to run their administration/offices.

If they work and use those models more than prayer and the guidance of the HG, then there becomes a problem.
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