Rick Warren Statement

notofworks · #1 01-12-2010, 08:24 AM

"The church that is content with not growing is saying to the rest of the world “ 'You can go to hell.' ” –Rick Warren

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Scott Hutchinson · #2 01-12-2010, 08:31 AM

We should be concerned about growing in a local church situation,but what we should desire is for lost humanity to find Justification,not just to have numbers for numbers sake.The preaching of the cross should bring people in not seeker sensitive programs and such.We need the manifest presence of God to be in our services,so the Holy Spirit can do it's convicting work.

crakjak · #3 01-12-2010, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

“"The church that is content with not growing is saying to the rest of the world '“You can go to hell.' "” –Rick Warren

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Well said!! If the body of Christ is about His work in the earth, loving and caring, He will add to the body daily!!!

Setting in the four walls, doing our programs, rather than being in the field serving, is not what the body is called to do.

ChTatum · #4 01-12-2010, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

We should be concerned about growing in a local church situation,but what we should desire is for lost humanity to find Justification,not just to have numbers for numbers sake.The preaching of the cross should bring people in not seeker sensitive programs and such.We need the manifest presence of God to be in our services,so the Holy Spirit can do it's convicting work.

The presence of God in our services (and no, we don't have enough of it) will bring people in.

Good post, Bro. Scott.

Scott Hutchinson · #5 01-12-2010, 08:45 AM

Churches can have numbers,but you just have numbers and not true Christians what do you have ? A big social club or something.

notofworks · #6 01-12-2010, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Churches can have numbers,but you just have numbers and not true Christians what do you have ? A big social club or something.

Oh baloney. Let's ask a question here.....of the 40,000 members of Saddleback (the church Rick Warren founded and pastors), what's your wild guess of the percentage of "True Christians" among the 40,000. Just give a wild guess. Don't do the "I could never judge" malarkey, because you've pretty much already done that by insinuating many in his crowd may not be "true Christians." So go ahead...what percentage? Just guess.

Scott Hutchinson · #7 01-12-2010, 08:52 AM

I'm not attacking anybody but hey churches can have numbers and not have Christians,there are plenty of people who have their name on membership roles of churches who are not Christians.

Scott Hutchinson · #8 01-12-2010, 08:54 AM

BTW I never said anything about Saddleback I am making statements in general,so look who is reading things into something I did not say.
In premise I agree with The Rick Warren statement.

notofworks · #9 01-12-2010, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

I'm not attacking anybody but hey churches can have numbers and not have Christians,there are plenty of people who have their name on membership roles of churches who are not Christians.

Can you cite any church that is an example of that?

MawMaw · #10 01-12-2010, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Churches can have numbers,but [if] you just have numbers and not true Christians what do you have ? A big social club or something.

I understood what you meant Bro Scott....and, sorry NOW, but it's NOT baloney! Too many churches are just that.......social clubs, with just a hint of Jesus thrown in for good measure so they can call it church. Sad!

Yeah, alot of churches are 'growing' or as I heard one preacher say........"swelling", from infection and disease. That type of growth is certainly not good.