Should we teach others to rebel against standards?

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Here’s James’ opinion of your doctrine.
Jas.2

[1] My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
[2] For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
[3] And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
[4] Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
[5] Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
[6] But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
[7] Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
[8] If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

Little has changed in two thousand years.

No that’s not James's take on it. That’s just your take on using James’s writing for something totally different then he was talking about. If someone comes to church looking like a preacher or a homeless man and I don’t know them none of them will get up on the platform. Nice try tho

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Here’s James’ opinion of your doctrine.
Jas.2

[1] My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
[2] For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
[3] And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
[4] Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
[5] Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
[6] But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
[7] Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
[8] If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

Little has changed in two thousand years.

Never said a doctrine. Also, hometown guy mentioned no sandals on the platform. I would hope those on the platform are more than just visitors. With what James wrote totally agree, we cannot hold one person higher than another based on their clothing. We love all men not with partiality, yet with the church there will be standards. And standards will differ from each church.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Never said a doctrine. Also, hometown guy mentioned no sandals on the platform. I would hope those on the platform are more than just visitors. With what James wrote totally agree, we cannot hold one person higher than another based on their clothing. We love all men not with partiality, yet with the church there will be standards. And standards will differ from each church.

He knows James was not talking about what we were discussing....Our song leader was homeless. God brought him a long way. He volunteers at our local mission and brings homeless men to church all the time. We treat all guest the same. We know how god can change their life. 90% of our church are people that you probably wouldn’t want to be around before they were in church. But the fact of the matter it’s a way of life for most homeless ( poor ) in our day and age it’s not even the same culture as what James was talking about it. Our poorest would have been considered middle class to them........ well that’s a different subject for another time.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

And nice clothes to sit on the platform?

Originally Posted by hometown guy

No that’s not James's take on it. That’s just your take on using James’s writing for something totally different then he was talking about. If someone comes to church looking like a preacher or a homeless man and I don’t know them none of them will get up on the platform. Nice try tho

Yeah. ‘Cause the platform is sacred. Right?

Please tell me exactly what YOU think James is saying, because it seems pretty clear to me.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

He knows James was not talking about what we were discussing....Our song leader was homeless. God brought him a long way. He volunteers at our local mission and brings homeless men to church all the time. We treat all guest the same. We know how god can change their life. 90% of our church are people that you probably wouldn’t want to be around before they were in church. But the fact of the matter it’s a way of life for most homeless ( poor ) in our day and age it’s not even the same culture as what James was talking about it. Our poorest would have been considered middle class to them........ well that’s a different subject for another time.

The men James was talking about were both guests. It sounds like the difference was their clothes and the ring.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Never said a doctrine. Also, hometown guy mentioned no sandals on the platform. I would hope those on the platform are more than just visitors. With what James wrote totally agree, we cannot hold one person higher than another based on their clothing. We love all men not with partiality, yet with the church there will be standards. And standards will differ from each church.

Give me your definition of doctrine. Please.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

The men James was talking about were both guests. It sounds like the difference was their clothes and the ring.

Correct guest not on the platform....

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Yeah. ‘Cause the platform is sacred. Right?

Please tell me exactly what YOU think James is saying, because it seems pretty clear to me.

Reverence would be a more accurate word.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Reverence would be a more accurate word.

Reverence for what?

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Reverence for what?

The area that in our day and age the word of God from the sanctuary is delivered to the body of Christ. Just like we don’t sit and eat chicken in the sanctuary. We try to have respect for it.