A Monumental Problem In America:

[Jermyn Davidson]

An article about the history of the, "Battle Hymn of the Republic." It gives a very clear glimpse into the minds of the north and the Union soldiers-- who were not deceived as to what the ramifications of losing this war would be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle...f_the_Republic

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

JD - so Washington and Jefferson should come down, right?

I responded to this line of thinking before.

They both freed their slaves upon their deaths or relatively soon afterward.

By the time treasonous rebels betrayed the country that Washington, Jefferson and others founded on Christian principles, slavery had become an institution in perpetuity.

Had the treasonous rebels had their way, slavery would have expanded and, contrary to what Mr. Edgerton states, slavery was not viewed by the South as a non-viable basis for their economy. The American institution of slavery was never solely about economics any way.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

JD - so Washington and Jefferson should come down, right?

Our Founding Fathers wrestled over the institution of slavery. "Our Founders, with the exception of those from South Carolina and Georgia, exhibited considerable aversion to slavery during the era of the Articles of Confederation (1781–89) by prohibiting the importation of foreign slaves to individual states and lending their support to a proposal by Jefferson to ban slavery in the Northwest Territory.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/The...lavery-1269536


Again, at the Founding of our country, the attitude displayed towards slavery was radically different from the views of the institution that the treasonous southern rebels held.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Our Founding Fathers wrestled over the institution of slavery. "Our Founders, with the exception of those from South Carolina and Georgia, exhibited considerable aversion to slavery during the era of the Articles of Confederation (1781–89) by prohibiting the importation of foreign slaves to individual states and lending their support to a proposal by Jefferson to ban slavery in the Northwest Territory.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/The...lavery-1269536


Again, at the Founding of our country, the attitude displayed towards slavery was radically different from the views of the institution that the treasonous southern rebels held.

Actually Georgia unilaterally outlawed importing slaves in 1807, a full year before it was constitutionally required, the first state to do so.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Our Founding Fathers wrestled over the institution of slavery. "Our Founders, with the exception of those from South Carolina and Georgia, exhibited considerable aversion to slavery during the era of the Articles of Confederation (1781–89) by prohibiting the importation of foreign slaves to individual states and lending their support to a proposal by Jefferson to ban slavery in the Northwest Territory.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/The...lavery-1269536


Again, at the Founding of our country, the attitude displayed towards slavery was radically different from the views of the institution that the treasonous southern rebels held.

Jermyn, if you don't grasp the significance the 3/5 clause held in the mind of north, you miss the whole point of the conflict and will continue to believe the myth concerning "the expansion of slavery". Furthermore, until you can demonstrate clearly per the constitution that secession is treason, your argument falls flat.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

This gentleman starts out by saying whites and blacks were like family in America's southland. This is a true example of America's history being white washed.


The 42% tariff proposed by Lincoln...
If this is true, which I really would like to see if this can be independently verified by a reputable historian, it would just be another example of the duplicity of our government.

No one has called Lincoln a saint, but you have to admit, by the time the Civil Rights Movement became influential in America, the white supremacist mindset that dominated southern culture and some parts of the north was a result of the same mindset that justified the morality of enslaving blacks.

Where did you grow up? What state?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Where did you grow up? What state?

Drum roll please...

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Our Founding Fathers wrestled over the institution of slavery. "Our Founders, with the exception of those from South Carolina and Georgia, exhibited considerable aversion to slavery during the era of the Articles of Confederation (1781–89) by prohibiting the importation of foreign slaves to individual states and lending their support to a proposal by Jefferson to ban slavery in the Northwest Territory.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/The...lavery-1269536


Again, at the Founding of our country, the attitude displayed towards slavery was radically different from the views of the institution that the treasonous southern rebels held.

Again, why won't you substantiate the charge of "treason" with anything in the Constitution , or with the laws of 1860?

If the seceded States of 1860-61 were not violating any law by democratically withdrawing from the Union, then all your emphasis on racism is moot. Secession is a stand-alone issue. We may not like a State that is seceding,but it is their right,nevertheless. If the people of Hawaii today, by way of referendum, declared their independence from the USA, and then sent a diplomatic team to Washington to negotiate a realistic time-table to make that independence a reality, what would be treasonous about that? Would you actually advocate armed suppression of their right to self-determination?

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Our Founding Fathers wrestled over the institution of slavery. "Our Founders, with the exception of those from South Carolina and Georgia, exhibited considerable aversion to slavery during the era of the Articles of Confederation (1781–89) by prohibiting the importation of foreign slaves to individual states and lending their support to a proposal by Jefferson to ban slavery in the Northwest Territory.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/The...lavery-1269536


Again, at the Founding of our country, the attitude displayed towards slavery was radically different from the views of the institution that the treasonous southern rebels held.

JD - that is not what your side is saying. Show me a leader from your side that wants to stop with CSA statues.
Here is a link to a story about NYC thinking about taking down the Christopher Columbus statue.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nyc-may...lumbus-statue/
Your side wants to examine EVERY monument, statue, park, street, basically everything in the US and then THEY will determine if it needs to be removed.
Not the people voting, but THEY the supreme arbiters of all that is good and holy will bless it.
Give me a break.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Treason? Hanging? Bro, if you have no control.

Do you really believe I'd literally "hang" someone? Yes or no?