Largest apostolic church in the U.S.?

[unitedpraise10]

Originally Posted by Falla39

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Would that apply to a natural family that isn't growing or sowing seeds.
Would a marriage be dead and stale if it wasn't producing!
Would you be satisfied if you were married and weren't producing! Why
expect God to be satified if his wife doesn't want or is not willing to carry
His children until they are "born again".

Just sayin......!

Falla39

I don't believe these two scenario come close to any comparison. ...and no, I don't think it applies.

Acts 2:47 says
Praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.

[unitedpraise10]

Originally Posted by Falla39

UnitedPraise, I agree that there is not anything wrong with being a large
church. There isn't/wasn't anything wrong with a large family either. Perhaps
God gives us, in family/church what we can adequately take care of. Some
things are not entrusted into God's Hands. Humans decide what they want
and control it.
My late father first BEGAN with what God entrusted him and Mom with. Their
family! First they allowed God to Plant them first and then sowed their own
family in the FIELD of the LORD! First the couple married and in time, became
parents, and in time they became grandparents, and in more time they were
great-grandparents. Then each generation brings with it others. Dad has now
traveled out of sight 21 yrs ago, Mom, 12. But their family, just counting their
children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren alone number well over 100
decendants and growing.

The church they founded has tripled since they have been gone. It didn't
happen overnight, but grew as you might expect a healthy body to grow.

It took our children several years to grow to adulthood. They each married,
doubling themselves right there. Now our six children and their spouses have
reproduced themselves and number 21 grands, plus our eldest grandson, and
the only one married, and his wife of seven years, have now produced our first
great-grand child, the beginning of the sixth generation of apostolic truth,
through my husband and my family alone. Can you imagine what those 21
grands will reproduce in a few years. Remember I also had ten siblings.

Now that is in the natural, but spiritual comes after the natural. The fruit is
what that mature tree produces. Takes a while. My late father used to say
"We just don't come FULL GROWN and FULL BLOWN". There seem to have
been some who feel they were born in full bloom. You usually cannot tell them
much!

Blessings,
Falla39

The Lord will not put on us anymore than what we can handle...including pastors and leaders. We have to be open to it....We need to be open to it.

Let me ask you Sis. Falla, if the Lord send amazing miraculous revival to your church....would you accept it? Would you stay if 1,000 people we're added to your church in 6 months time? Not that this matters, because it shouldn't, I'm just curious.... :-)

[unitedpraise10]

Originally Posted by papapraiz

I have been told that Atlanta West with Pastor Darrell Johns is continuing to grow. They are presently holding two services with some Sunday's over a Thousand in attendance.

Also, Pastor Daniel Davy in Tampa just built a new building with weekly attendance of around 1,700 and growing.

A few others that I am aware of would be Pastor Elias Limones in Pittsburg Ca, Mike Mitchell in Brooklyn, NY, Granville Mckenzie in Toronto with attendance of over 2,000

This is correct. God is doing awesome things there...

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by unitedpraise10

The Lord will not put on us anymore than what we can handle...including pastors and leaders. We have to be open to it....We need to be open to it.

Let me ask you Sis. Falla, if the Lord send amazing miraculous revival to your church....would you accept it? Would you stay if 1,000 people we're added to your church in 6 months time? Not that this matters, because it shouldn't, I'm just curious.... :-)

UnitedPraise,
If you think I have a problem with LARGE churches, you are mistaken! GOD IS
LARGE and very much IN CHARGE!!!
We have had several miraculous miracles continuing and we thank GOD for it!

We saw a huge church (not Apostolic Pentecostal) come to an area near our
city several years ago. It was known far and near and growing like a weed.
Funny how quickly weeds spring up, seemingly overnight.

This church drew many people from near and far, including our city. But I
could tell you some sad stories of the families that were torn apart during
those years, including the pastor whose foundation was not based on truth.
It has been gone several years now, but the devastation left remains.
I realize that is an isolated incident but there are many more kindred to this
story.

There is something to be said for healthy growth. When a building or body,
physical or spiritual is "blowed or throwed" up in a hurry, it doesn't usually last.
Sometimes things are fed to chickens or beef, etc, to make it look good,
yet not have to go through the time it takes to mature naturally, That is
not healthy growth!

I am not speaking of any individual or church, only in general terms and
principals!

Falla39

[Theophil]

You all can't even agree what the definition of an "apostolic" church is. Sad, very sad.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Theophil

You all can't even agree what the definition of an "apostolic" church is. Sad, very sad.

Apostolic means RELATED TO THE APOSTLES. After that, people add all their traditions and its gets awry.

[Theophil]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Apostolic means RELATED TO THE APOSTLES. After that, people add all their traditions and it gets awry.

I agree with you, but not everybody does, including the author of this this thread.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by unitedpraise10

The Lord will not put on us anymore than what we can handle...including pastors and leaders. We have to be open to it....We need to be open to it.

Let me ask you Sis. Falla, if the Lord send amazing miraculous revival to your church....would you accept it? Would you stay if 1,000 people we're added to your church in 6 months time? Not that this matters, because it shouldn't, I'm just curious.... :-)

UnitedPraise,
I personally would not want to have 1,000 people added to our church
in 6 months time. Just as I would not want to see one of my daughters
have sextuplets! Oh, yes, there would be a lot of attention at first. But
when the new wore off of this un-natural event, the poor mother would
be overwhelmed. Totally un-natural! God never meant for one mother and
father to have a "litter". Did anyone in the Bible ever have more than twins.
God set things in order at the beginning. Men changed God's ways. I suppose
they didn't know what HE was doing. Couples pay big money to have a child
and the drugs given sometimes causes unnatural births. Multiple births. God
didn't plan multiple births. That's man's doing! The couple in our area that had
five babies at one time created a lot of excitement for a while. In a few years
the news was that the couple were divorcing. It was just too much to handle.
No, God didn't put multiple births on that couple. Fertility drugs did!

I can tell you, as the eldest daughter in a family of eleven children, my dear
mother said she never desired to have twins, etc. She was content to have
one baby at a time over several years. As the older children grew and became
helpful, it made the burden easier on the mother and father. That worked for
our family and it also worked for the church Dad founded and pastored for over
30 yrs. Dad and Mom did their part. God raised up someone else to continue
the work the Father had planted. And it continues to grow as God gives the
increase!

UnitedPraise, Jesus said if his Father (Spirit, God) didn't plant it, it would be
rooted up. Plants with no roots, won't last too long! If you don't have roots
(can't see those deep roots, but be assured they are there, mostly under the
ground, when the storms come, there is a real possibility the "plant" will be
uprooted. Roots don't come overnight or even in 6 months!!! If you see a
church plant, that has remained for many years, you can be assured there
are some deep roots underneath. Quite possibly that church (plant) didn't be-
gin with the current pastor. Perhaps he is only building on the "roots" or
foundation of those who preceded him.

And those tall, tall skyscrapers, if you could see under the building, there is
a deep foundation, balancing what you see above the ground. Else when a
storm comes, it would blow over. Or the tree without roots would become
uprooted when the storms of life come!

Blessings,

Falla39

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Apocrypha

Ya, Keyes and soon to be Jack Cunningham (i hear hes getting close to 1k+)

Cornwell is 500-600 from what I understand. Not sure on Huntley.

Cornwell is running near 800 on buses alone I hear

That is reported on his sunday night video cast and they have a spanish church report also on the same cast of around 150.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by unitedpraise10

Nothing wrong with smaller churches! I often wonder what it's like. All I know is what I've been taught...a church that isn't growing, or sowing the seeds is a dead and stale church.... 100 people 15 years ago should not still be 100 or less today! 1000 people 15 years ago shouldn't be 1000 or less today. Like I said, we should never be satisfied in any situation.

UnitedPraise10,
Perhaps many of the very large churches have been growing for many
years. One pastor after another, building on the foundation of those who
preceded it. The man who begins the foundation of a church plant, may not
be the same man who puts the roof on! But if God laid out the plans and the
man (minister) goes according to the Master Plan, (and there will be others
who assisted in the building, it will stand! I am not speaking of a physical
building, but a spiritual building. A habitation of God through the Spirit! In
other words, a place where God lives/dwells or makes HIS abode)! We the
the temple of Living God.

Ephesians 2:19-22

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Falla39