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Old 06-27-2010, 06:36 PM
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Re: Healing doctrine: do you agree?

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"Availability" is the state of being available and assumes "condition".

My son was ill this weekend and I text him to say, "Call me if you need me." I was available, but the responsibility to call me was placed on him. He had a condition to fulfill, if I was to be available to him - he had to make the call (the condition).

"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Acts 2:21)

If I do not call (the condition) on His name, it will not come to pass that I will be saved. Salvation is "available", but there is a "condition" placed on me - I must call on His name.

"Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." (Romans 11:22)

His goodness is available to me - if - I continue (the condition) in His goodness.

More to your point on "healing" - I Cor 11:24-26 is teaching on the Lord's supper. The writer speaks of the bread and the wine, saying, "Do this in remembrance of me" and "As often as you do this, you proclaim/declare the Lord's death."

I Cor 11:27, goes on to say that IF we take part in this ceremony, "unworthily/irreverently", we are guilty of the body and blood of Christ. I take that to mean that we would be just as guilty as if we participated in His death.

I Cor 11:30, "For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep."

If someone were "irreverent" toward this solemn remembrance, they could not understand that I Peter 2:24 is teaching them Isaiah 53, "... (5) But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."

His death, burial and resurrection affords us not only salvation, but healing as well. Both are available, but both are also conditional.
OK. Are you saved?
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OK. Are you saved?
Today I am saved. I went to church.
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Today I am saved. I went to church.
But seriously. You are saved. Right? So, how do you know you are saved?
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But seriously. You are saved. Right? So, how do you know you are saved?
Because I really, personally know what it means to really and truly repent. And all these things shall be added unto you........
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Because I really, personally know what it means to really and truly repent. And all these things shall be added unto you........
So you've met the conditions for salvation?
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So you've met the conditions for salvation?
Yes, I have. I may be stupid sometimes, but I am basically an honest person. LOL!
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Yes, I have. I may be stupid sometimes, but I am basically an honest person. LOL!


Have you ever prayed for healing, for yourself or someone else, and not gotten it?
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1 Bless the LORD, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name. 2 Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: 3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases; 4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies; 5 Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's.
If those spiritual weaklings want to rationlize scripture, I don't want them to pray for me when I'm sick. They would probably be singing "Oh I Want to See Him".

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Some say that the healing in Isaiah 53:5 is strictly spiritual healing (forgiveness), and not about physical healing at all. This is one way they have of explaining why divine healing doesn't always happen -- that such healing is not really promised. (I don't know how they get around all the other apparent promises of healing.)
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Have you ever prayed for healing, for yourself or someone else, and not gotten it?
Yes, I have for others and myself. When I was a new convert I would always pray, "God give me childlike faith, with wisdom." I still pray that, but not as often, because I do have childlike faith and I'm working on the wisdom. LOL!

Once my kidneys were hurting and I decided to fast because I didn't want to go to the doctor. On the second day, I was praying and the Lord spoke to me and said, "Put your hands on your back and speak healing into your body." I did and was instantly healed.

Another time, I had a lump on a lymph node that was continuing to grow. I woke up at 2:00 in the morning and I was afraid and then I became angry. I got up and went into the living room so that I wouldn't wake anyone up. I laid my hand on the lump and said, "I have evoked the name of Jesus and YOU MUST LISTEN!" The lump was gone when I woke up the next morning.

My daughter, when she was a baby, had a bad vaccine reaction and was turning blue in the face. We had to blow in her face. I had a tent over her bed with a vaporizer. Nothing the doctor gave me helped. One day I was driving, with her in the car, on the highway and I could not pull over. You were allowed to have a car seat, in the front seat, at the time. She began to turn blue and looked at me frightened. I felt the presence of God and I reached out my hand toward her and said, "I command you to be healed in Jesus name." She was healed instantly.

When my son was a little boy his foot kept hurting him. He would continuously ask me to pray for it. We were sitting on the couch, reading a book, and he turned to me and said, "God is not listening. My foot still hurts." I said, "Maybe God wants you to ask Him. He doesn't want me to always talk to Him for you." He grabbed his foot, acting a little embarrassed, and jokingly said, "Jesus!!! Heal my foot!!!" He must have felt the healing, because his eyes got really big, with tears, and he started laughing. That was a beautiful lesson and moment.

I have more, but this is the best one of all. When I had first got in church, I was visiting my family. My brother was very sick and in bed. I asked him if he wanted me to pray for him. He said, "Yes." I prayed for him, left the room and not five minutes later, he was up and told me he wasn't sick anymore. My family hated that I got in church and that was just a great moment for me to show that God was real and involved in our lives.
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Re: Healing doctrine: do you agree?

That's great, but that's not what I asked. Have your prayers for healing ever not worked?
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