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Old 07-13-2007, 02:41 AM
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Do you agree?????????

HELLO ALL FOLKS!!!!! IM NEW HERE,GREETINGS...

Here is the way i see the way Jesus was full God and man..(as i explained to a mormon friend of mine...


When the Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary,the Spirit (God) became the Father
which is how we get God the Father...

That which was born of flesh (Mary) was flesh
That which was born os Spirit (God) was Spirit

so we have Jesus who was fully God & man..

In the begining was the Sprit & the Spirit was with God & the Spirit was God(John 1:1) vs 14..and the Spirit was made flesh

there is 1 God (Det 6:4)
1 Spirit (Eph 4:4)
God is a Spirit (John 4:24)
who was in Christ (2 Cor 5:19)

so we have Spirit & flesh,Father & Son who are one (John 10:30)
God & man
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Old 07-13-2007, 03:07 AM
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HELLO ALL FOLKS!!!!! IM NEW HERE,GREETINGS...

Here is the way i see the way Jesus was full God and man..(as i explained to a mormon friend of mine...


When the Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary,the Spirit (God) became the Father
which is how we get God the Father...

That which was born of flesh (Mary) was flesh
That which was born os Spirit (God) was Spirit

so we have Jesus who was fully God & man..

In the begining was the Sprit & the Spirit was with God & the Spirit was God(John 1:1) vs 14..and the Spirit was made flesh

there is 1 God (Det 6:4)
1 Spirit (Eph 4:4)
God is a Spirit (John 4:24)
who was in Christ (2 Cor 5:19)

so we have Spirit & flesh,Father & Son who are one (John 10:30)
God & man

What is your take on the "Blue Denham Whales"?
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Old 07-13-2007, 03:12 AM
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What is your take on the "Blue Denham Whales"?
Wellllll ya knowwwwww
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Old 07-13-2007, 12:27 PM
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HELLO ALL FOLKS!!!!! IM NEW HERE,GREETINGS...

Here is the way i see the way Jesus was full God and man..(as i explained to a mormon friend of mine...


When the Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary,the Spirit (God) became the Father
which is how we get God the Father...

That which was born of flesh (Mary) was flesh
That which was born os Spirit (God) was Spirit

so we have Jesus who was fully God & man..

In the begining was the Sprit & the Spirit was with God & the Spirit was God(John 1:1) vs 14..and the Spirit was made flesh

there is 1 God (Det 6:4)
1 Spirit (Eph 4:4)
God is a Spirit (John 4:24)
who was in Christ (2 Cor 5:19)

so we have Spirit & flesh,Father & Son who are one (John 10:30)
God & man
Nice try but John 1:1 does not say "In the beginning was the Spirit"! It says, "In the beginning was the logos" (I intentionally left the Greek word logos untranslated; it is better translated "divine expression").

Yes, Jesus is fully God and fully man (as was decided at the Councils at Ephesus and Chalcedon) - two natures in hypostatic union.
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Old 07-13-2007, 03:36 PM
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Perhaps the Saviour Himself made the clearest statement of His pre-existence. Speaking with a group of unbelieving Jewish religious leaders, He said, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad" (John 8:56). These Jews were startled by these words, understanding Him to be saying that He and Abraham existed on this earth at the same time: "Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?" (John 8:57). They knew that Jesus was not even half a century old and that Abraham had lived and died on this earth approximately 2000 years earlier! How could this Man claim to be 2000 years old? They were shocked and angered by the Lord's final words: "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am" (John 8:58). They considered this to be ultimate blasphemy and they "took up stones to cast at Him" (John 8:59).

Only the eternal God could make such a claim. Indeed, Jesus could have said, "Before Adam was, I am!" He even could have said, "Before the universe was, I am!" In fact, in John chapter 17 He did make such a statement: "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was...for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world" (John 17:5,24). God the Son basked in the sunlight of the Father's love before the world ever was! From everlasting to everlasting, He is the Son of the Father's love. The eternal Son is worthy of all glory and praise and adoration!


The Defense of Eternal Sonship

(Biblical Evidence Showing That Christ Was the Son of God Even Prior to Bethlehem):



a) The Bible clearly teaches that it was “the Son” who created all things, thus strongly implying that Christ was the Son of God at the time of creation (Col. 1:13,16; Heb. 1:2).



b) The Bible teaches that the Son has eternally existed in the bosom of the Father. John 1:18 translated literally from the Greek says this: “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, THE ONE EVER BEING (existing) IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER, He hath declared Him.”


c) The many passages which speak of the Father SENDING the Son all imply that Christ existed as the Son prior to His mission (1 John 4:10,14; John 20:21; Gal. 4:4; etc.).



d) The parable of the vineyard owner (Mark 12:1-12) points to Christ as being the Son prior to His coming into the world. In the parable, the son of the vineyard owner was the son long before he was sent on his mission.



e) God gave His Son (John 3:16), implying that Christ was God's Son before He was given. God the Father did not give One who would become His Son, but He gave One who already was His Son.


f) Christ had a relationship to the Father prior to the incarnation. John 16:28 teaches that Christ came forth from the Father, strongly implying that there was a Father/Son relationship before He came into this world. John 17:5,24 also indicates that there was a Father/Son relationship in the Godhead even before the creation of the world.



g) The One who existed as the Son of God became the Son of David at the time of the incarnation (Rom. 1:3-4). The incarnation is when God became a man, it is not when God became the Son. He was God's Son from all eternity.

h) Even in the Old Testament period we find evidence that God indeed had a Son, such as Proverbs 30:4 and Psalm 2:7-12 (compare also Daniel 3:25; Isaiah 9:6).



i) Melchisedec was a type of the Son of God because He was “without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life” (Heb. 7:3). As to His humanity Christ did have a mother, a genealogy, beginning of days, an end of His life (He died!), etc. His divine Sonship, however, has nothing to do with human parents, human lineage, human birth, or time measurements. It is an eternal Sonship.


4) The Meaning of the Term “Son of God.”

The important significance of this word is basically threefold:



a) A son is a separate person from his father (see the clear distinction between the Father and Son as seen in John 5:19-22 and John 6:38-39).



b) A son is the heir, not the servant, of his father. In contrast to his father’s servants, a son is his father's heir (see Matthew 21:33-39; Luke 15:11-32; Gal. 4:7; Heb. 3:5-6) In Hebrews 1:2-14 Christ is set forth as Son and Heir, whereas the angels are called servants (ministers). Thus subservience to one’s father is not associated with the Biblical idea of Sonship, and the term “Son of God” does not mean “subservient to God.”



c) A son has the same nature as his father. To say that the Son of God has the same nature as God the Father is to say that Son is God (absolute deity). He is God (absolute deity) just as the Father is. The Jews knew that when Jesus said he was the Son of God He was claiming to have the same nature as God and to be equal with God (see John 5:17-18; John 10:33,36; Matthew 26:63-66). Since the expression “Son of God” indicates absolute deity and since Christ has always been deity, we can conclude that Christ has always been the Son of God. A person who claims that Christ became the Son of God at the incarnation and therefore was not the Son of God before His incarnation, should also deny the pre-incarnate deity of Christ in order to be consistent.

5) The Meaning of Psalm 2:7.



Psalm 2:7 does not militate against the eternal Sonship of Jesus Christ. It does not refer to a time when Christ became the Son of God through a begetting act of God. Instead it refers to the day of Jesus’ resurrection when God brought Him forth from the womb of the earth and thereby publicly decreed that He is who He always was—the Son of God (see Acts 13:33 and Romans 1:3-4). The declaring of God's decree in Psalm 2:7 will take place at the close of the great tribulation and will be Jesus’ way of asserting that He is the legitimate ruler of the world who has the right and authority to take over the earth.

more of this at middletownbiblechurch
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Old 07-13-2007, 10:07 PM
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Im a oneness..just in case any of you dont know....God is the begining & he is Spirit...that is why i ssaid in the begining was the Spirit...just like in Gen 1:2 the spirit moved across the face of the waters.....

this came to me one night reading the book of John...I truly believe the Holy Ghost showed me this..ive have had a time with oneness vs trinity...

I have ask God straight foward if he was a trinity or one...its in his word....and he gave me understanding....

I believe there is one God,who is Spirit,who was in Christ Jesus reconciling the world to himself...

Hebrews 5:7 talks about "in the days of his flesh"...so what was he before flesh...Spirit
how many Spirits....1
so there could only be one who was made flesh..God Almighty...

Flesh (Son) Spirit (Father)....and they are one
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