Sarah Palin, Todd Bentley, and Dominion Theology

[trickledown]

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We do around here and at every church that I have attended. I take that pledge and this country seriously. Enjoy your time being in the world and not of it.
People with anti-american views are not welcome to share the pulpit I use.

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[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Well said, MOW!

Sorry, Bro. Burk you are reading many things into what you are reading and hearing, she did not say the Iraq war was God's war. She was saying that God has a plan in this world and that we should pray for it. BTW, the Iraq war is a part of what God is doing in the world, but He has a different view of it than most of us.

Not "WE," but "THEY." She was addressing the Wasilla Assembly of God. That is a KEY point. If she hadn't become McCain's VP choice, other than THAT congregation, the world probably would have never known what she said that day. But the issue is, THAT congregation did know, because she was speaking her words to THEM.

All those here who think I have a reading problem, you should reread what Palin said in juxtaposition with her church’s belief. Without doing that, you are taking her statement out of context. Look again at her words:

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will." (Found approximately 5 minutes and 40 seconds into the VIDEO CLIP ON THIS WEBSITE)

Palin said THEY needed to pray that the soldiers were doing “WHAT IS RIGHT.” She knew what her church believes about that war. So when you connect Palin’s statements with those made by her Senior Pastor at that church, you see she was referring to praying that the soldiers are sent there to do the “task” they should in GOD'S WAR. I am not reading anything into what she said. I am only following along with what's commonly believed in THAT church.

Originally Posted by crakjak

The Master's Commission is a study program that many church have to train young folks into Christian ministry, it is not what you alluded to. Kenneth Phillips church has this type of training.

Thanks for the heads up, but I did look into this before posting.

And what exactly did I wrongly allude to? I said that the Wasilla Assembly of God has that school, that Palin addressed them while speaking, and that they use men like Todd Bently as prophetic references on their website. What part of that is wrong?

Interesting point you bring up.... Did you know that Kenneth Phillips is into DOMINION THEOLOGY as well? While preaching at the 2007 AWCF World Conference, Phillip's then side-kick, Jonathan Suber, shouted to the congregation: "I've came here to release dominion theology. I've come to release kingdom theology." I have a recording of Suber saying this on my computer. Before posting, I listened to it to check my accuracy. With all due respect, crakjak, you're just confirming that my concern is justified.

Originally Posted by crakjak

You sound like you are leaning into the conspiracy crowd's thinking.

To be honest, all true Christian’s are into conspiracy thinking. We all teach, preach, and believe that Hell has a plan against the Church of Jesus Christ. Because so, yes, I do aspire to such belief. But a Christian has to balance such a view with the fact that they are not at war with “flesh and blood.” Because so, I’ve not said anything against Sarah Palin’s person. I’ve not said she’s a bad or deranged individual possessed with an evil agenda. No, what I’ve posted is my concerns about her beliefs and where those beliefs could lead. There is a BIG difference between the two.

Also, do you really believe Dominion Theologists do not have a plan? Brother, that is what they are all about! That is not my imagination. It is in their teachings—plain and simple.

Instead of trying to poison my well by suggesting my concerns are all a figment of an overly-suspicious mind, maybe you could try to prove my information wrong with some sources of your own?? All you have to do is show that Palin, her senior pastor, her church, and her church’s school are NOT into dominion or kingdom theology. But, because there is no such evidence, that’s a problem, isn’t it? And the evidence that is found, as far that I can find, leads to just the opposite conclusion.

Hey, I hope I'm wrong. I pray that we have a safe country and godly leadership. But I also can't live in denial. It is what it is. Knowing that helps me to pray as I should.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Not "WE," but "THEY." She was addressing the Wasilla Assembly of God. That is a KEY point. If she hadn't become McCain's VP choice, other than THAT congregation, the world probably would have never known what she said that day. But the issue is, THAT congregation did know, because she was speaking her words to THEM.

All those here who think I have a reading problem, you should reread what Palin said in juxtaposition with her church’s belief. Without doing that, you are taking her statement out of context. Look again at her words:

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will." (Found approximately 5 minutes and 40 seconds into the VIDEO CLIP ON THIS WEBSITE)

Palin said THEY needed to pray that the soldiers were doing “WHAT IS RIGHT.” She knew what her church believes about that war. So when you connect Palin’s statements with those made by her Senior Pastor at that church, you see she was referring to praying that the soldiers are sent there to do the “task” they should in GOD'S WAR. I am not reading anything into what she said. I am only following along with what's commonly believed in THAT church.



Thanks for the heads up, but I did look into this before posting.

And what exactly did I wrongly allude to? I said that the Wasilla Assembly of God has that school, that Palin addressed them while speaking, and that they use men like Todd Bently as prophetic references on their website. What part of that is wrong?

Interesting point you bring up.... Did you know that Kenneth Phillips is into DOMINION THEOLOGY as well? While preaching at the 2007 AWCF World Conference, Phillip's then side-kick, Jonathan Suber, shouted to the congregation: "I've came here to release dominion theology. I've come to release kingdom theology." I have a recording of Suber saying this on my computer. Before posting, I listened to it to check my accuracy. With all due respect, crakjak, you're just confirming that my concern is justified.



To be honest, all true Christian’s are into conspiracy thinking. We all teach, preach, and believe that Hell has a plan against the Church of Jesus Christ. Because so, yes, I do aspire to such belief. But a Christian has to balance such a view with the fact that they are not at war with “flesh and blood.” Because so, I’ve not said anything against Sarah Palin’s person. I’ve not said she’s a bad or deranged individual possessed with an evil agenda. No, what I’ve posted is my concerns about her beliefs and where those beliefs could lead. There is a BIG difference between the two.

Also, do you really believe Dominion Theologists do not have a plan? Brother, that is what they are all about! That is not my imagination. It is in their teachings—plain and simple.

Instead of trying to poison my well by suggesting my concerns are all a figment of an overly-suspicious mind, maybe you could try to prove my information wrong with some sources of your own?? All you have to do is show that Palin, her senior pastor, her church, and her church’s school are NOT into dominion or kingdom theology. But, because there is no such evidence, that’s a problem, isn’t it? And the evidence that is found, as far that I can find, leads to just the opposite conclusion.

Hey, I hope I'm wrong. I pray that we have a safe country and godly leadership. But I also can't live in denial. It is what it is. Knowing that helps me to pray as I should.

Exactly how do you define Dominion Theology?

I do know that the Master's Program is not what you described, it is a well seasoned training for ministry and is not something to be feared. Whether or not KP is into DT I do not know.

I believe God is in charge and will bring about all His purposes, man makes many plans but it is the plan of God that is prevailing. Therefore, I will not join the ranks of the "fearful and the unbelieving".

[Michael The Disciple]

Hey Burk,

Can you show actual proof of connection of Todd Bently and Pete Wagner? And I do NOT accept as proof that they have prophesied or spoke something about the state of Alaska.

I searched the net about "Masters Commision" and it seemed to be some spiritual boot camp for young people. I never saw anything about Wagner.

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Like I said in the beginning, I am not into politics at all. My King is Jesus. Whatever Leader He puts into office is His choice, and because so, that’s okay with me.

But I do find it ironic that some of you here saying that it doesn't matter what a politician believes are the same ones who would have a problem with a Muslim being president. Now you can’t have it both ways. You can’t say that a politician’s religious influence wouldn’t cloud her political decisions, and then say it would if the person is Muslim.

I find it ironic that you are still talking at all. You've been thoroughly discredited in this thread.

Was your misinterpretation of Sarah Palin's prayer request due to misreading, or misrepresentation? Will you now say that it was an oopsie? That you missed that she was requesting prayer, not declaring that our soldiers are on a "mission from God?"

Why folks are proceeding with you in conversation is completely beyond me. You are either going to not understand what you are reading, or you'll twist our words around to suit your agenda. Either way, other people's efforts with you will be fruitless.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Hey Burk,

Can you show actual proof of connection of Todd Bently and Pete Wagner? And I do NOT accept as proof that they have prophesied or spoke something about the state of Alaska.

I searched the net about "Masters Commision" and it seemed to be some spiritual boot camp for young people. I never saw anything about Wagner.

I showed this on another thread.

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Leader of the "Lakeland Outpouring," Todd Bentley, was commissioned by C Peter Wagner and cronies from his International Coalition of Apostles (ICA) on June 23, 2008. Their service gave Bentley many "prophetic" accolades, which foretold of a long and God-ordained future for his ministry. Then a few short weeks later, Bentley was caught in an unhealthy emotional relationshipwith a female staff member. Talk about discernment! Anyway, Wagner’s ICA claims to be "apostolic." Are they? If so, was/is Todd Bentley Apostolic? Here is a portion of Bentley's commissioning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkrtac7IgXs

As far as the “Master’s Commission,” this is where that is found.

Originally Posted by TK Burk

While looking to find what churches and preachers Palin's church associated with, I decided to look into something she mentioned during her June 8th appearance at the Wasilla Assembly of God church. On a couple occasions she referenced folks in the congregation as being a part of the “Master’s Commission.” I did a Google search and found there is a Bible school in Wasilla of that name and that they are a part of the Wasilla Assembly of God (SEE HERE). They have a website which I went to. That site has an option “About Us.” The first choice on that page is entitled, “About Alaska". Once there you'll see that the very first paragraph says:

“Alaska has a divine destiny that has been spoken about by many church leaders and prophetic leaders from all over the world such as Dutch Sheets, TODD BENTLY, Steve Thompson, Woody Woodson, and Dr. Cho just to name a few.”

Look up DUTCH SHEETS and you'll find the connections.

[MissBrattified]

My sister goes to Bro. Phillips' church, and she has mentioned their "Master's Commission" program in a very positive light. It has more to do with them serving the church and community fulltime than anything else, from what I understand. I think (I could be wrong) those who participate take 1-2 years and devote it completely to the church.

[TK Burk]

In a nut shell, Dominion Theology believes the Church is mandated to take dominion over peoples, monetary systems, governments, armies, and religions of the world. Once completed (or mostly completed, depending on who you read after), then Jesus can return.

As far as whether Kenneth Phillip believes this, his message at the 2007 AWCF World Congress confirms he does.

Phillips preached a message at AWCF that he entitled “Operation Shekinah, Expanding the Eastern Boundary.” The AWCF no longer offers this online, but Phillips preached this same message at his home church and they have that version on their website. If you go 47 minutes into that video he begins speaking. During the first few minutes he mentions preaching this at the AWCF meeting in Evansville, Indiana, and that he has preached the same message for a long time. He also says that he prays for “Operation Shekinah” every day and before he goes to bed. So it is evident that he feels very strongly about what it is.

It is not until 52 minutes that he actually talks about “Operation Shekinah.” He begins by saying that the reason the United States is a “blessed nation” is because “of their blessing of the Jews.” Then at 54:39 he states “This is what the war with Iraq is all about. This is what Iran is about. This is what it’s ALL ABOUT.” 58:30 he says the headlines of our papers are found in our Bibles. He then reads from his Bible about many of the ancient enemies of Israel, and then pushes them forward 2,000 years due to Jewish “arrogance.”

But a biggie is found at 1:02. There he starts into the backbone of Dominion Theology. He states there that Jesus “has to get everything ready for His return.” 1:03:39 he says, “He [Jesus] has got to get ready for His coming. And His people have got to get ready for His coming.” Phillips is not referring to getting saved here; he is speaking of expanding the physical borders of Israel “eight times larger than we know it today.”

Speaking about these larger borders, at 1:04:45 he says, “That’s the reason the President needs a prophet right by him. A President needs someone to interpret the Word of God. Don’t go over there expecting to successfully trade land for peace.” And if Palin believes Dominion theology, can anyone really believe her belief would NOT affect her policy decisions?

Phillips goes on to explain that this land needs to be taken because “God’s getting ready to come back and occupy that land.” And the reason Phillips gives for the Iraqi war (1:05:47) is because “the river Euphrates runs right down through Bagdad.” Then at 1:07 he says, “I’ve just told you why America is in Iraq. I’ve told you why Iran will soon be attacked, possibly in the late summer. I’ve just told you that God is taking back all of the land He gave to the Jews in its original concept.”

At 1:07:24 Phillips tells us what Operation Shekinah is, which is a Jewish military operation designed to capture Iraq and Iran. This is what he prays daily about? He prays that God would have men and women die so that another people could take their land? And this is Jesus' will?

Phillips then ties this in with why the World Trade Center buildings were attacked. He talks about why there are a lot of countries in the world that would not want to see Israel control the oil in those countries. Because of 9/11, he claims it was put off, but was later picked back up and became the policy of President Bush.

At 1:19:35 he claims: “We are now obeying the Great Commission which is going to bring the Messiah back to this earth.” Where does Jesus or His Apostles say anything about that?

The end of this has him preaching an ecumenical message that includes souls entering the kingdom of God regardless of Acts 2:38. He mentions a “Pentecostal Church in Korea” that runs 2-million in service. That must be Rev. Cho’s church. This is the same Cho found on Palin's Wasilla Assembly of God's school website. Cho is not Apostolic, and his teachings have been described as being akin to New Age.

Bottom line, those advocating Dominion Theology teach that the New Covenant is fulfilled through human efforts such as politics and war. This is completely contrary to the Teachings of Jesus and the Apostles. The Church needs to wake up, stop looking to people and politicians for their answers, and instead seek Jesus’ face in prayer!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

was an oopsie?

No it's an OP...Carl!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by trickledown

Brother Benincasa
Do you and yours give the pledge or are you like a Jehovah's Witness who refuses?

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

We do around here and at every church that I have attended. I take that pledge and this country seriously. Enjoy your time being in the world and not of it.

People with anti-american views are not welcome to share the pulpit I use.

GOD, Family, Country
Patriotism will not die in my home or church. God Bless America
Land that "I" Love

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