Some of us actually believe what we preach I certainly have NO desire to condemn someone to hell, however if the message I believe and teach is correct then yes the rejection of that message will condemn some to Hell. Do I rejoice? Most certainly not! However Jesus is NOT Santa Claus where you are gonna get your gifts regardless of your behaviour. Folks are gonna be lost for rejecting the Apostolic message and not adhering to Apostolic teaching.
If that make me judgmental in your eyes then I guess I am. I do NOT believe ONE person from Pentecost until now is saved outside of obeying Acts 2:38. I believe Trinitarians preach another Jesus than the one the Apostles preached.
I do believe the Word of God governs our lifestyle including appearance and entertainment. I believe to reject those Biblical edicts a person will be lost unless they repent. So there it is I have to go to church have at it.
Some of us actually believe what we preach I certainly have NO desire to condemn someone to hell, however if the message I believe and teach is correct then yes the rejection of that message will condemn some to Hell. Do I rejoice? Most certainly not! However Jesus is NOT Santa Claus where you are gonna get your gifts regardless of your behaviour. Folks are gonna be lost for rejecting the Apostolic message and not adhering to Apostolic teaching.
If that make me judgmental in your eyes then I guess I am. I do NOT believe ONE person from Pentecost until now is saved outside of obeying Acts 2:38. I believe Trinitarians preach another Jesus than the one the Apostles preached.
I do believe the Word of God governs our lifestyle including appearance and entertainment. I believe to reject those Biblical edicts a person will be lost unless they repent. So there it is I have to go to church have at it.
I think it's time to come clean about this issue. I know a lot of
you are going to find what I have to say unbelievable
perhaps my bluntness makes it hard to swallow, but I am dead serious about this.
Here are the real reasons why many Cons have left, formed
other groups and rarely come around anymore. Now, please
don't attack me. I'm just telling WHY. I just want your comments
and hopefully some good honest interaction
It's partly because of a few certain posters. that is true. But it goes
way beyond posters being disrespectful.Their is a common held belief that this forum
is swaying a lot of vunerable people (traditional Pentecostals) to question and give up their
convictions and cause them to backslide from the truth. It is believed that this forum or many members here
are out to sway others out of the standards and that it is working.
It is grieving a lot of people and they can't bear to see what has happend.
some would go as far as to say that AFF has an agenda. Others
would say that Certain individuals have an agenda. I'm not sure
this is the case BUT I am telling you that this IS indeed what
is thought by many and I wont take that back.
Even though we all got along on FCF, many are seeing the results
of what a forum can do over the years in changing peoples' long held beliefs
and it's troublesome to a lot of the ministry.
Now, you can brush this off and try to forget about it, that's fine.
but at least you know the real truth now unless you choose to live
in denial. I don't expect a lot of people to come clean about this
and some wont want to believe it's true, but sorry, it is nonetheless
true.
For a while I was puzzled as to why there was a mass exodus
and sought out to find out why. I was a little apprehensive about
posting this But I feel it's time to come clean about this so that
everyone knows the real deal
I don't have time right now to catch up with this thread so hae only read this and the first few posts. I am sure it is a fascinating thread!
I can address what my "agenda" has bee at FCF, NFCF, and now AFF as an exUPC "liberal".
Here goes;
1. Enjoy the friendship and fellowship of Christian believers with whom I share a common background and many common beliefs today.
2. Participate in an open discussion (within reason) of Pentecostal issues, traditions, and doctrines. Something I have seen sorely lacking in my 49 years in or around old time Oneness Pentecost.
3. Be a progressive voice in that open discussion. A voice that could speak to traditoinal OP's who might be thinking along progressive lines or question some of the extra biblical traditions but have had no venue to air those thoughts. For those traditoinal OP's who have never had their thought system challenged when it comes to the extra biblical traditions I have wanted to motiviate them to look anew at their positions and validate them once again. If some see things in what I would consider a more biblical perspective afterwards I am happy and have felt the church has moved a little closer to reflecting true Christianity and what matters. If not I usually have still made a friend and someone who loves God and I can enjoy fellowshipping with.
I believe my #3 above would qualify in the thesis you put forth. I do agree that it is for that reason most of the cons and ultra cons would not allow their saints to be on a forum like this one. It calls into question the OP tradition of the preacher dictating a laundry list of extra biblical rules and regulations without questoin.
I believe they fear that having some ultra con or con saints participate here would sometimes have the same result that a couple of years of watching Oprah Winfrey has on that wonderful subserviant Korean bride some GI's bring home from their tour in South Korea.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
Some of us actually believe what we preach I certainly have NO desire to condemn someone to hell, however if the message I believe and teach is correct then yes the rejection of that message will condemn some to Hell. Do I rejoice? Most certainly not! However Jesus is NOT Santa Claus where you are gonna get your gifts regardless of your behaviour. Folks are gonna be lost for rejecting the Apostolic message and not adhering to Apostolic teaching.
If that make me judgmental in your eyes then I guess I am. I do NOT believe ONE person from Pentecost until now is saved outside of obeying Acts 2:38. I believe Trinitarians preach another Jesus than the one the Apostles preached.
I do believe the Word of God governs our lifestyle including appearance and entertainment. I believe to reject those Biblical edicts a person will be lost unless they repent. So there it is I have to go to church have at it.
There is a big difference in what you say above and what others have said. Even though I disagree with some things you believe, I know you believe them and why, and that I'd never hold against you. I think we should all make a stand for something or we'll fall for anything.
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
Maybe they saw the seeds of deception being promoted and wanted no part in it.
Just a thought.
If they think this forum is in great darkness then they should stay and provide light and not take their light and put under a bushel (read: private forum) where they are only supporting themselves.
Be not weary in well-doing..........
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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