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Old 07-24-2008, 06:39 PM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post

I haven't ran anyone off, but I may have ran over them, that same thing?


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Old 07-24-2008, 06:40 PM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post

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I totally agree.

I somehow know you would.

The statement is true and was made in general and not pointed at you. Beside I'm not sure I really could make a call like that from a few posts on a forum! Misinterpretation as to the intent behind the post is a BIG problem in forum land, at least for me. I try to assume the best. Though sometimes I get a mite riled.......
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Old 07-24-2008, 06:41 PM
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Change? In what way?

Is that including the whole Constituency of the UPCI?
Bro Ron,

It is a paradigm, a mind-think. There are things I just can't tolerate and understand. What happened the first time which made me leave and find refuge elsewhere...happened again. The difference was that I stayed and road it out. I was not any better for having stayed...it has given me a very paranoid and 'jumpy' disposition. My colleagues ask me why I have signs and symptoms of PTSD [posttraumatic stress disorder].

It is difficult to explain to them about how one feels when they are faced with death, whether physical or spiritual, I just remember the extreme abandonment and rejection I have felt several times in my life. I have a startle reflex and some insistent & persistent intrusive thoughts that keep me bewildered and confused.

The only place I find rest, peace, and contentment is in my prayer closet alone with God. I don't even trust public prayers anymore. I always wonder who is listening and what will they think, and what will they say to hurt me with it.

I love so many in the UPCI and I went back expecting things to be changed, but they still play hardball. My way or the highway mentality, and I just can't do that to myself again. I have too much respect for myself.

Many may not understand what I just said but that's all right..God and I know.

Sincerely, Rhoni
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Why is that?

Well, for one thing we have flesh that would rather go to the beach in a speedo than cover up for one.

What standards are you talking about?

Every standard is built on a principle out of God's word.
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Hilarious!
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God's Principles are hilarious?
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God's aren't.

Some of our fruity concepts are.
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Not really, they are based on Biblical principles, it is up to you to believe it or reject it.

I don't see every standard that is ever preached, but I do see some.

I am a free will moral agent.

I can be right, I could also be wrong.

One has to search it out for themselves.
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Who's on first?

Ron, you said all standards are based on Biblical principle.

In fact, many standards are not based on Biblical principle.

Understand?
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And some are.

Comprehend?
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Are we even in the same conversation here?

You said all.

Some is not all.

Is this some kind of fuzzy Canadian math?
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No siree, it was in response to a post where Standards are said to have no validity whatsoever.
I'm confused.
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Old 07-24-2008, 06:44 PM
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Come on, Ron. I've been around here quite a long time and have seen lots of things written on this forum, but I have yet to see anyone condemn the conservatives to hell for what they believe, however, I've seen conservatives condemn others to hell for NOT believing as they believe.

To me, there's nothing worse than that, yet I don't see those being condemned leaving in droves, but rather, they continue writing about what they believe and why, regardless.

Why can't the conservatives do that?

I was conservative once. I spoke about my beliefs and stood up for them, regardless of how others felt. I didn't degrade anyone, even when I told them I disagreed. They far outnumbered me but I never did leave for that reason. In fact, I'm friends still today with some I met on that forum many years ago...even some I still disagree with.

The problem isn't the discussion, but the personal issues...and I've seen that come from both sides here. I don't feel it's been more one side than the other. Both have played equally in the blame.
HO, the thing is, we are in the same trap.
Well, they did this, or they deserve this, or they are that.

It seems there is justification in your post.
Turn about is fair play?

The question is asked, where are the Conservatives, & why aren't they posting?
There have been things posted from Conservatives in a bad attitude at times-sure.

I have done it.

Does that make anything I, or anyone else has said on this thread, null & void?
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Old 07-24-2008, 06:45 PM
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I'm confused.
It is the first step my Brother!

You are making headway!
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Old 07-24-2008, 06:47 PM
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Bro Ron,

It is a paradigm, a mind-think. There are things I just can't tolerate and understand. What happened the first time which made me leave and find refuge elsewhere...happened again. The difference was that I stayed and road it out. I was not any better for having stayed...it has given me a very paranoid and 'jumpy' disposition. My colleagues ask me why I have signs and symptoms of PTSD [posttraumatic stress disorder].

It is difficult to explain to them about how one feels when they are faced with death, whether physical or spiritual, I just remember the extreme abandonment and rejection I have felt several times in my life. I have a startle reflex and some insistent & persistent intrusive thoughts that keep me bewildered and confused.

The only place I find rest, peace, and contentment is in my prayer closet alone with God. I don't even trust public prayers anymore. I always wonder who is listening and what will they think, and what will they say to hurt me with it.

I love so many in the UPCI and I went back expecting things to be changed, but they still play hardball. My way or the highway mentality, and I just can't do that to myself again. I have too much respect for myself.

Many may not understand what I just said but that's all right..God and I know.

Sincerely, Rhoni
Thanks for answering Rhoni.

I guess I have been spoiled with wonderful Pastors.
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Old 07-24-2008, 06:49 PM
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HO, the thing is, we are in the same trap.
Well, they did this, or they deserve this, or they are that.

It seems there is justification in your post.
Turn about is fair play?

The question is asked, where are the Conservatives, & why aren't they posting?
There have been things posted from Conservatives in a bad attitude at times-sure.

I have done it.

Does that make anything I, or anyone else has said on this thread, null & void?
I was responding to the logic about why conservatives are leaving when, from my POV, they have done the same or worse to others (to me, nothing is worse than condemning someone to hell because they don't believe as you do), yet those others continue to stick around. Makes one wonder what the real reasons are, that's all.

It has nothing to do with justification or turn about. I was around FCF in the olden days. Jim had a way of getting people, especially conservatives, to think. Some of them didn't like it then either.
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Old 07-24-2008, 06:56 PM
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St. Mark,

You have to be proud of this thread starter...you hit a nerve!

Blessings, Rhoni
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I was responding to the logic about why conservatives are leaving when, from my POV, they have done the same or worse to others (to me, nothing is worse than condemning someone to hell because they don't believe as you do), yet those others continue to stick around. Makes one wonder what the real reasons are, that's all.

It has nothing to do with justification or turn about. I was around FCF in the olden days. Jim had a way of getting people, especially conservatives, to think. Some of them didn't like it then either.
Some of us actually believe what we preach I certainly have NO desire to condemn someone to hell, however if the message I believe and teach is correct then yes the rejection of that message will condemn some to Hell. Do I rejoice? Most certainly not! However Jesus is NOT Santa Claus where you are gonna get your gifts regardless of your behaviour. Folks are gonna be lost for rejecting the Apostolic message and not adhering to Apostolic teaching.
If that make me judgmental in your eyes then I guess I am. I do NOT believe ONE person from Pentecost until now is saved outside of obeying Acts 2:38. I believe Trinitarians preach another Jesus than the one the Apostles preached.
I do believe the Word of God governs our lifestyle including appearance and entertainment. I believe to reject those Biblical edicts a person will be lost unless they repent. So there it is I have to go to church have at it.
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