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Old 05-01-2013, 08:27 AM
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:39 AM
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All my righteousness is a s filthy rags.
Interesting you apparently did not like the scripture posted.
usually this scripture is used incorrectly. Doing the righteous deeds of God is not filthy rags. However the clothing we are to wear as COVENANT people can become filthy rags or tainted because of faithlessness. Which is what that scripture in Isaiah refers to. The covering God has given them which is just like the bride is given to do and be her clothing according to

Rev 19:7 Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready;
Rev 19:8 it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure"— for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints. .


just as Israel was given a garment to wear by covenant.

Ezekial 18 also gives us a understanding what happens to righteous deeds should we turn from God to unrighteousness and how he views all that you had done.
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:47 AM
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Pliny I love that scripture. He is talking about dirty menstrual cloths. It reminds me how good our God is and great is His grace towards us.
actually grace is simply favor which is given to us as a provision. It has nothing to do with having righteousness bestowed without proper response to God or God allowing or considering you in a position of FAITHFUL/RIGHTEOUS while IN unrepentant sin. God's justice has not changed concerned how people stand before him when it comes to covenant obligations. That response includes covenant requirements that you have and are responsible to do. Jesus is very clear on this about following him and giving up all.

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Old 05-01-2013, 09:27 AM
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I seem to come up with very differing ideas or examples than most, but here goes anyway.

I feel our walk with God is like a marriage. You loved your wife or husband, when you got married. If one of you get upset or angry with the other, does this mean you are no longer married? If one or the other commits adultry, does this mean you are no longer married? Of course in todays society many would just get a divorce. God does not divorce us.

Put this in a family setting, can a son or daughter ever not be a son or daughter? Jesus uses the story of the prodical son to emphasis this. Even when the son was sowing his wild oats he was still a son.

Once we become a child of God, we are always a child of God from that time forward. Hence Paul spends a great deal of time instructing us on the grace of God. Why then would he make the profound statement, "what shall we continue in sin that grace may abound, God forbid". Paul goes on to say in a later chapter "they that walk after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh, but they that walk after the spirit do mind the things of the spirit".

The fact is not anyone that is walking after the spirit can commit sin. It was a favorite expression my pastor used in my youth, " It is harder to live a life of sin than it is to live for God" I have found in my life that is a true saying. One does not just fall into sin or accidently sin when one is walking after the spirit. There is a detailed process, as James states " Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

This brings us the question, can one become lost after one is saved? This must be followed by the question, do we have the right to judge if one is saved or not? This is where we get ourselves in trouble, we have the tendancy to look on the outside, with our list of what we concider right and wrong. The fact is God knows the heart, he looks on the inside.

Lets take one example, church attendance, because we have one verse in the whole bible that says "forsake not the assmebling" we feel we have the right to say, If you miss church your sinning and on your way to hell. Many quote the next verse in Heb. 10 "for if we sin willfuly" and reference the church attendance, but never go to the preceding verse that says, "that we are to provoke unto love and good works" This is what Paul is refering to when he says sin wilfuly, not church attendance.

Is it any wonder so many leave our churchs when all we do is harp on the non essencials as to how long a womens hair is to be or how long her dress should be. We think if we don't tell a women not to run around in a bikini she is going to go run around town in a bikini.

It seems to me we just don't think the Holy Ghost is as powerful as we think it is.
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:29 AM
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actually grace is simply favor which is given to us as a provision. It has nothing to do with having righteousness bestowed without proper response to God or gGod allowing or considering you in a position of FAITHFUL/RIGHTEOUS while IN unrepentant sin. God's justice has not changed concerned how people stand before him when it comes to covenant obligations. That response includes covenant requirements that you have and are responsible to do. Jesus is very clear on this about following him and giving up all.
Grace drives us to our knees in repentance of sin. Grace brought me out.
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:34 AM
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Grace drives us to our knees in repentance of sin. Grace brought me out.
favor drove you to your knees?
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:44 AM
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favor drove you to your knees?
It absolutely will; out of shear joy and gratefulness to be free!

Romans 2:4
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:37 AM
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It absolutely will; out of shear joy and gratefulness to be free!

Romans 2:4
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

I agree with that aspect but that was not my point I was aiming at.
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I agree with that aspect but that was not my point I was aiming at.
Romans 2:4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:49 AM
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Not sinning.

I was mainly asking Truthseeker what his explanation was. It seems that people have a warped view of what sin is. They would say that if an evil thought comes to your mind (which the devil brings) and even if you rebuke it right away and not let it take root. They'll say that you're sinning. They'll say if you're tempted with evil (which the devil would do, since we are still in the this flesh) and even if you resist it, fight and don't fall into it, they'll say that you sinned.

There are people who would say that we can't be perfect, because we can accidentally trip ourselves while walking, or that we don't have the best singing voice ever, or our handwriting isn't the most beautiful. In other words, a lot of silly, natural, carnal definitions.

The bible says that Jesus was tempted in all ways like us, but yet without sin. It's the falling into temptations that is a sin.
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