Are You Really Saved ?

Joelel · #1 03-10-2007, 01:25 AM

2 Thes.2:13: But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth.

We are saved by sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth. We are saved by the truth,Not a perverted gospel and lies like alot of people are preaching

Joelel · #2 03-10-2007, 01:39 AM

Do you really have faith that saves you ? Faith comes from hearing the word.Does hearing things that is not true give you faith ? You must have the truth of the word to be saved.The truth gives faith and we are saved by faith,so we must have truth.

Rom.10:[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God

Joelel · #3 03-10-2007, 01:46 AM

We must continue in his word to be his desciple and it must be truth because only truth saves.John8:31. Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;32. And ye shall know the truth (word) , and the truth shall make you free

Joelel · #4 03-10-2007, 01:51 AM

(NOTE THEY ARE REMOVED FROM GOD by believing a perverted gospel) Gal.001:006 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: (perverted word) 001:007Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ

Joelel · #5 03-10-2007, 02:08 AM

Here again we are saved by the word and IF we keep in memory the word and it must be truth,no perverson.All this scripture blows once saved always saved right out the window.So you can have believed in vain.1Cor.015:001 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel (truth) which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 015:002By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain

Brother Price · #6 03-10-2007, 07:34 AM

The issue of false doctrine is one that is going to keep alot of believers out of the Kingdom. They may have obeyed Acts 2:38, but they believe that there is a trinity of gods. They may not have nay standards of holiness whatsoever. They may have an addition to the scriptures. the Bible declares such in danger, lest they repent.

Digging4Truth · #7 03-10-2007, 08:59 AM

Well Joelel... all of this really gives us nothing to comment on unless you let us know what you feel is being spoken of when the word says perverted doctrine.

Of course we all believe what you have posted because you have posted scripture (infallable there) and some very vague comments about the scriptures.

There are so many things that one could consider a perverted gospel.

Could you let us know what it is you have in mind when posting these scriptures?

Digging4Truth · #8 03-10-2007, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Joelel

Do you really have faith that saves you ? Faith comes from hearing the word.Does hearing things that is not true give you faith ? You must have the truth of the word to be saved.The truth gives faith and we are saved by faith,so we must have truth.

Rom.10:[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God

(Please read this all the way through... it will seem that I am disagreeing with you but if you will read it through you will see that this is not necessarily the case)

Actually... yes sir.. faith does come by hearing things that are not true.

i taught on the armor of God a few weeks ago and when speaking of the shield of faith I brought out where faith is a conviction that something is true.

Have you ever tried to teach someone something different than they have been taught all their life? Have you ever seen them demonstrate an ability to keep speaking in total confidence in the face of scripture full in the face of what they are saying?

That is their shield of faith. They are blocking your arguements with pure conviction that what they have been told is true.

One can have faith in something that is not true just as much as they can have faith in something that is true. And they will use that faith as a shield against truth from time to time.

Now... is faith in a doctrine that is not true a saving faith. Of course not. Never.

But it is belief that gives faith. Whether that belief is based on truth or lies is another subject entirely. I have spent a good portion of time working my way around the shield of faith that people possessed which was built on untruths.

Also... I have found that fighting them only makes them hold onto their shield tighter. I have only been successful when I have allowed them to show me their shield. As they tell me about their shield I make mention from time to time of my shield. Often times... they begin to get intersted in my shield. Since I am not attacking them they put theirs down to take a closer look at mine.

Quite often I am able to sell them on my shield and they are thankful for it and happy to discard their old shield for a new & improved model.

I guess this is where my shield of belief in the scripture that tells us to be as wise as serpents and harmless as doves come in.

One last note... for those who are parents, pastors etc... If you teach them that we don't do this and we don't do that... then all you have accomplished is putting a shield in their hands (which is necessary and important).

It is when you take them to the book and you teach them why. It is when you open the word and give them the revelation rather that just the rules... it is then that they possess both a sword and a shield. Until the sword is given the best they can do is cower in a corner with their shield hoping to live through the attack.

Joelel · #9 03-12-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Price

The issue of false doctrine is one that is going to keep alot of believers out of the Kingdom. They may have obeyed Acts 2:38, but they believe that there is a trinity of gods. They may not have nay standards of holiness whatsoever. They may have an addition to the scriptures. the Bible declares such in danger, lest they repent.

Hi,I agree with you on most of what you say but the word does say in Revelations not to add to the book of this prophecy.John was talking about the book of Revelations he wrote.We know that the bible is made up of many different letters written to different assemblies at different times and then several years later were all put together and made up what we know as the bible.When this was done there was many letters left out or not known about at that time.The apostle Paul was not taught by Jesus but he was taught by the Spirit as we should be. The word says the Spirit shall teach us all things.The Holy Ghost has taught me many things that is not in the bible. Is it wrong to add it to God's word ? No because it is God's word taught by God.

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Joelel · #10 03-12-2007, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Well Joelel... all of this really gives us nothing to comment on unless you let us know what you feel is being spoken of when the word says perverted doctrine.

Of course we all believe what you have posted because you have posted scripture (infallable there) and some very vague comments about the scriptures.

There are so many things that one could consider a perverted gospel.

Could you let us know what it is you have in mind when posting these scriptures?

Hi Digging,Perverted means twisted.So we are talking about twisted doctrine or twisted word.That is when anyone takes the truth of God's word and says it means something that is un-true.That is perverted.We must be very careful to be sure what we say and teach is true,not perverted.The more we pervert the weaker we become and we lose our reward.

Rom.14
[1] Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
[2] For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
[3] Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
[4] Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
[5] One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
[6] He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
[7] For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
[8] For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
[9] For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
[10] But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
[11] For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
[12] So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
[13] Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

I Cor. 1: And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2: I have fed you with milk, and not with meatdeep knowledge) for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3: For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
4: For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5: Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6: I have planted,( Preached ) Apollos watered; (preached) but God gave the increase.
7: So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
8: Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.(preaching)
9: For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
10: According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, (preached truth, the word)and another buildeth thereon.(preach the word) But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. (what he preaches)
11: For other foundation (other then truth) can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.( true word)
12: Now if any man build upon this foundation (true word Jesus) gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; (false teaching)
13: Every man's work (Preaching) shall be made manifestseen) for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire;(tribulation) and the fire (tribulation) shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14: If any man's work (preaches the truth) abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15: If any man's work (preaching of untrue) shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. (tribulation)