Remitted on the Cross or not?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Adino

I thought you were part of the initial group I began discussion with way back before Jim Yohe's site. It's possible this is when I was declaring the Gospel to atheists, wiccans, and agnostics on another theological board. Either way, yes, it has been a while.

Steve, what prompts your act of faith?

We did discuss this on FCF but it started a little over 4 years ago. Adino FAITH prompts the act it cannot be divided that is why baptism is NOT good works it is faith in action. Noah had faith he proved it when he built the Ark.
Adino what I cannot understand is how you can divide faith from it's actions?
Baptism is not like communion or benevolence those are good works. Baptism is that act of faith that identifies us with His burial. In repentance we die and in baptsim we are buried with Him. These are not good works it is man cooperating with God.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

We did discuss this on FCF but it started a little over 4 years ago. Adino FAITH prompts the act it cannot be divided that is why baptism is NOT good works it is faith in action. Noah had faith he proved it when he built the Ark.
Adino what I cannot understand is how you can divide faith from it's actions?
Baptism is not like communion or benevolence those are good works. Baptism is that act of faith that identifies us with His burial. In repentance we die and in baptsim we are buried with Him. These are not good works it is man cooperating with God.

I agree with this - how could it not be right ???

[Adino]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

We did discuss this on FCF but it started a little over 4 years ago. Adino FAITH prompts the act it cannot be divided that is why baptism is NOT good works it is faith in action. Noah had faith he proved it when he built the Ark.
Adino what I cannot understand is how you can divide faith from it's actions?
Baptism is not like communion or benevolence those are good works. Baptism is that act of faith that identifies us with His burial. In repentance we die and in baptsim we are buried with Him. These are not good works it is man cooperating with God.

I find it interesting you ask me why I do what you just did. You said, "FAITH prompts the act." You just made a distinction between that which prompts the act and the act itself. Make up your mind.

Does faith prompt faith? No. Faith prompts the ACT OF faith. What prompts an ACT OF love? LOVE. You have consistently called the fruit of the tree the tree itself. You call the apple the apple tree. Faith is not its own by-product. Faith produces an ACT OF faith.

Christ very clearly identifies the faith which dwells in the heart prior to it becoming externally manifest in an action.

That God recognizes the obedient heart of faith prior to its becoming externally demonstrated is seen in passages such as John 9:35-38......

Do you believe on the Son of God? Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. And the man said, Lord, I believe.

And as Thomas in John 20 who said,

"Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe." Christ appears and says to Thomas, "...be not faithless, but believing." Thomas then believed and Christ continued, "...because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." The author of John continues, "And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."

God makes a distinction between faith of the heart and the actions it engenders, why don't you?

Can you deal with the fact that a good conscience toward God must exist prior to an person being baptized for me. Thanks.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Adino

I find it interesting you ask me why I do what you just did. You said, "FAITH prompts the act." You just made a distinction between that which prompts the act and the act itself. Make up your mind.

Does faith prompt faith? No. Faith prompts the ACT OF faith. What prompts an ACT OF love? LOVE. You have consistently called the fruit of the tree the tree itself. You call the apple the apple tree. Faith is not its own by-product. Faith produces an ACT OF faith.

Christ very clearly identifies the faith which dwells in the heart prior to it becoming externally manifest in an action.

That God recognizes the obedient heart of faith prior to its becoming externally demonstrated is seen in passages such as John 9:35-38......

Do you believe on the Son of God? Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. And the man said, Lord, I believe.

And as Thomas in John 20 who said,

"Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe." Christ appears and says to Thomas, "...be not faithless, but believing." Thomas then believed and Christ continued, "...because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." The author of John continues, "And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."

God makes a distinction between faith of the heart and the actions it engenders, why don't you?

Can you deal with the fact that a good conscience toward God must exist prior to an person being baptized for me. Thanks.

Certainly baptism is an empty rite without faith and repentance. However faith and repentance are incomplete without baptism.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by StMark

I agree with this - how could it not be right ???

My first clue was when you agreed with it.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

We did discuss this on FCF but it started a little over 4 years ago. Adino FAITH prompts the act it cannot be divided that is why baptism is NOT good works it is faith in action. Noah had faith he proved it when he built the Ark.
Adino what I cannot understand is how you can divide faith from it's actions?
Baptism is not like communion or benevolence those are good works. Baptism is that act of faith that identifies us with His burial. In repentance we die and in baptsim we are buried with Him. These are not good works it is man cooperating with God.

Okay Freeatlast, let's break this down:

A) Epley said Faith is action - agree or disagree?

B) Epley said baptism is not just a good work- agree or disagree?

C)Epley said Baptismal identifies us with his burial - agree or disagree?

D)Epley said that Baptism is man obeying God (God's word)- agree or disagree?


I am wondering if you are just disagreeing simply because it's Epley saying it ?????

[Felicity]

Remitted at Calvary - yes.

[Adino]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Certainly baptism is an empty rite without faith and repentance. However faith and repentance are incomplete without baptism.

1Peter 3:21 says baptism is the response of a good conscience toward God.

Baptism is the response of someone who already has a good conscience concerning his sin toward God. Can you deal with the fact that a good conscience toward God must exist prior to a person being baptized for us?

Thanks.

[Adino]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Remitted at Calvary - yes.

Who's that? FELICITY! Wonderful to see you! God bless you and your family.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Remitted at Calvary - yes.

I agree with that completely.