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Old 06-09-2018, 09:39 PM
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So while I appreciate your experience I can tell you there are many other folks whose lives have been just as dramatically changed as yours through making Christ Lord of their life and God working amazingly in their life in churches that are not old time Oneness Pentecostal.
CC you advocate the saying the sinners prayer and committing your life to Christ and Romans 10:13 as the plan of salvation?

What about belief in the Trinity, baptism in the titles or do you believe baptism to be necessary? Or only a outward profession of a inward work?
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CC you advocate the saying the sinners prayer and committing your life to Christ and Romans 10:13 as the plan of salvation?

What about belief in the Trinity, baptism in the titles or do you believe baptism to be necessary? Or only a outward profession of a inward work?
Our church does not use "the sinners prayer". We do believe we are saved by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

I previously stated that while i believe there are distinctions in Oneness and trinitarian theology regarding the godhead that both believe in one God. I believe that old time Pentecost misrepresents trinitarians as believing in "3 gods". So while I may have some differences in how I understand the godhead compared to some trinitarinas i believe we both believe in one God and the differences we have are not salvational.

I do not believe in baptismal regeneration and find that while officially UPC doctrine claims they don't the reality is they do. While I do not believe baptism is salvational in the sense a 3 stepper OP does I do beieve it is a very important part of ones walk with Christ and is an outward sign of one having accepted Christ and a committment to follow Him. As my pastor says the question is not "do I have to be baptized" but rather "why would I not be baptized?".

We baptize 300-400 people in Jesus name annually. Most of them on 3 weekends during the year when we have a Friday night Praise & Worship service followed by baptisms then the 4 weekend services are lessons on baptism then baptisms. Last night we had our summer Praise & Worship night on our town square with about 5,000 people and baptism right there on the square. 40-50 folks baptized in Jesus name last night then at the first of our 4 weekend services today, Saturday, at 5 pm we baptized 7 more. I am guessing that by our last Service Sunday we will have baptized 70-80 folks and maybe more.

So yes in no way shape or form is my doctrine or the church I attend old time Pentecost. My pastor is exUPC (former Youth Pastor of the local UPC church).
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Our church does not use "the sinners prayer". We do believe we are saved by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

I previously stated that while i believe there are distinctions in Oneness and trinitarian theology regarding the godhead that both believe in one God. I believe that old time Pentecost misrepresents trinitarians as believing in "3 gods". So while I may have some differences in how I understand the godhead compared to some trinitarinas i believe we both believe in one God and the differences we have are not salvational.

I do not believe in baptismal regeneration and find that while officially UPC doctrine claims they don't the reality is they do. While I do not believe baptism is salvational in the sense a 3 stepper OP does I do beieve it is a very important part of ones walk with Christ and is an outward sign of one having accepted Christ and a committment to follow Him. As my pastor says the question is not "do I have to be baptized" but rather "why would I not be baptized?".

We baptize 300-400 people in Jesus name annually. Most of them on 3 weekends during the year when we have a Friday night Praise & Worship service followed by baptisms then the 4 weekend services are lessons on baptism then baptisms. Last night we had our summer Praise & Worship night on our town square with about 5,000 people and baptism right there on the square. 40-50 folks baptized in Jesus name last night then at the first of our 4 weekend services today, Saturday, at 5 pm we baptized 7 more. I am guessing that by our last Service Sunday we will have baptized 70-80 folks and maybe more.

So yes in no way shape or form is my doctrine or the church I attend old time Pentecost. My pastor is exUPC (former Youth Pastor of the local UPC church).
On the baptism thing Jesus says plainly in Mark 16:16 " He who believes and is baptized will be saved, and he who believes not shall be damned." You can't have your sins remitted outside of baptism in Jesus name. And outside of baptism you cant even be said to be a believer. While baptism may not be your salvation, its needed to receive salvation.

Do you believe in the essentially of the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance?
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Notice the damnation is for unbelief.

Oh, I’m on my way now.., Leaving the driveway.
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