Saddened by NY Grand Jury Decision To NOT Indict

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Ndavid said, "But with the hemoraghing he would've died anyway from the stress placed on his heart."

So that doesn't say the hemorraghing alone would have caused the heart attack that killed garner?

Originally Posted by n david

No, else I would've written, "the hemorrhaging alone would've caused the heart attack which killed Garner."

I'm done. You can't even be honest about your own comments.

[n david]

So Primary cause no longer means, "first cause," or "principal factor?"

[n david]

Originally Posted by jfrog

i'm done. You can't even be honest about your own comments.

From the stress placed on his heart. Stress on the heart. That was the emphasis.

Says the guy who cut my quote mid-sentence. Talk about being honest, you didn't even use the full quote.

[n david]

If Garner hadn't had any preex conditions, would the primary cause been any different?

Or, could a fit and in shape Garner still have died from the neck and chest compression?

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Now we are in agreement. Various things can cause heart attacks.

However I want to add that Just because a cop does something that ends up causing a man to have a heart attack doesn't make what the cop did anything wrong.

Sure we are, the only difference is that I believe that the cop was culpable in this case and should've been charged with manslaughter at the very least whether it was a bullet or a choke hold.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No they are not. They are experts on chokeholds!

They showed where a chokehold that is stress on the air way could do that and emphasized THIS WAS NOT THAT KIND.

They indicate it was done properly and that he released it when they were on the ground

Other testimony from the internet say the report does NOT say his air way was damages

Prax, I saw the video. the cop DID NOT do the v-neck choke hold, his forearm is clearly on Garner's throat.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It does to me! He did that exact move with the arm bar...

When he slipped down onto the ground the arm seems to move and the cop releases it...that is what the Gracies said

The Gracies also sid that they weren't there when it happened.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

and the OTHER factors are being prone on his chest AND preexisting conditions PLURAL


Which I have stated several times and quoted from the news and provided links...which were all ignored

I didn't ignore any of the links I looked at, that is why I came to the conclusion that the cop was the primary reason for Garners death.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Sure we are, the only difference is that I believe that the cop was culpable in this case and should've been charged with manslaughter at the very least whether it was a bullet or a choke hold.

I think there is enough for a grand jury to reasonably say it wasn't manslaughter. All they would have to conclude is either
1. The cop was unaware of a substantial and unjustifiable risk or
2. The cop did not consciously disregard a substantial and unjustifiable risk
3. The risk was justifiable
4. The risk was not a gross deviation from the standard of conduct a normal individual would observe.

The jury only needed to conclude one of these 4 things before it wasn't manslaughter.

Under New York law a person would not be guilty of 2nd degree manslaughter if any of those requirements were met. 1st degree manslaughter is even harder due to intent being needed.

[BrotherEastman]

What's really sad is that the news didn't say that Garner had ANY CIGARETTES on him at the time of his arrest. The only thing said was that he was suspected (or alleged to have) of selling loose cigarettes. This is a tragedy which breaks my heart for justice, but God knows all.